Reform

[DanH]

Yeah.
I’m not even 70 and I can remember the late 50s !

When you were 3? 🤣

 

[Spindle]

Yeah, that's right, only Ukip members voted in 2016 to leave the EU.....You know that campaign that had most of government and the opposition and most of business and televisual media behind it pushing the remain message, telling us that we would be in nearly instant recession otherwise (Germany is in recession by the way).

Yet remain still lost.

Yeah, just Ukip supporters apparently.....everyone else just loved what the EU were doing.

Sigh.

You just said that more people wanted to leave than remain for 41 years we were in. This is not even remotely true at all. Prove it

It took a bus logo and a clown wanker to tip the scales, and that was temporary. Even today's polls are for remain. Plus the vote was loaded with people who actually living in the EU not allowed a say. Yet you talk of the lack of democracy in the EU. What a piss take

 

[Spindle]

1950s you mean?

Christ, you really are clueless. We were f***ing bankrupt in the 50s and got bailed out by the USA. You don't have a damn clue about any of this.

 

[Stirlingsays]

What an absolute load of waffling bollocks 🤣

Take me back to the 1600s. Heard you could get a banging hog roast.

You are full of pig references this fine evening.

You must be hankering over some ham in the fridge.

 

[Spiderman]

Even if you’re in your 80s now you were still only a child during the 50s.

Or a teenager, don’t you remember your teenage days 😉

 

[Stirlingsays]

You just said that more people wanted to leave than remain for 41 years we were in. This is not even remotely true at all. Prove it

It took a bus logo and a clown wanker to tip the scales, and that was temporary. Even today's polls are for remain. Plus the vote was loaded with people who actually living in the EU not allowed a say. Yet you talk of the lack of democracy in the EU. What a piss take

I literally lived through it, there were loads of polls conducted showing dissatisfaction with the EU....the leave argument was pretty strong for twenty years before Brexit.

What do you want me to do exactly? Spend my time researching polls from pre Brexit? What am I your 'research b1tch' or something....You want a cup of tea with that too?

I like this 'oh go and prove it' stuff from people you've never seen do any research from requests themselves. I'll tell you what Spindle, I'll go and research it if you promise me you'll go and research some topic I decide on as well......Because I've done that thankless crap loads of times and all you get is excuses and denial anyway.

 

[DanH]

You are full of pig references this fine evening.

You must be hankering over some ham in the fridge.

Didn’t even realise this. Slightly worried what’s going on in my subconscious. Maybe I’m pregnant.

 

[georgenorman]

Christ, you really are clueless. We were f***ing bankrupt in the 50s and got bailed out by the USA. You don't have a damn clue about any of this.

Britain was one of the richest countries in the world in 1951. By 1952 British manufacturing employed 40% of the workforce and was responsible for a quarter of the world’s manufacturing exports. Britain was the leading world producer of ships and the leading European producer of coal, steel, cars and textiles. Electronics and engineering, oil refining and chemical production were all growing British industries. Most industrial products bought in Britain in the 1950s were made in Britain. A reduction in working hours in the 1950s led to more leisure time and greater spending on leisure activities. By the end of the 1950s Britain had a higher income per head of population than anywhere else in the world except for the USA. Between 1955 and 1969 prices increased by 63%, while weekly earnings rose 130%, which meant that workers could afford to buy more with the money they earned. There was a rising demand for unskilled and semi-skilled workers which led to increasing employment for young people. Wages for teenagers were 50% higher in 1957 than in 1938. Full employment meant that people could change jobs more easily and earn better salaries. This led to higher wages as employers competed to recruit the best candidates for their businesses. Public sympathy made the government give reasonable pay rises to teachers and nurses - wages continued to rise throughout the 1960s. Tax cuts meant that workers got to keep more of the money they earned. Consumer spending increased by 115% in the 1950s, and by 1965 necessities like food and clothing made up only 31% of spending. Rationing had come to an end, wages were rising and taxes were falling. Prices fell as exports and productivity increased, helped by technological production processes that reduced costs. People were spending more money because they felt more financially secure and better off than they had ever been before. They had more money to spend on goods, and a greater variety of goods from which to choose. As the demand for more consumer items grew, prices fell, allowing more people to buy these items. Consumers now considered that goods such as televisions, refrigerators, music systems and cars were a basic requirement. Before the war these had been luxury items available only to the most privileged sections of society. Car ownership rose by 250% between 1951 and 1961, the number of televisions increased 32% just between 1957 and 1959. Government figures showed a sharp rise in expenditure on food, clothes, shoes, household goods and technological items such as televisions and record players.

Oh, and not long before we had fought a World War and destroyed real far right enemies.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Even if you’re in your 80s now you were still only a child during the 50s.

You do realise (well seemingly not) that many of us would have had parents who were young teenagers in the late 50s who died but had still brought them up. These were literally brought up by people raised in the culture of the 50s.....They know a lot about it.

Not everyone is a young one like yourself!

Also the early 60s were quite similar to those 50s, up until 63 and even then change was gradual.

Stick some branston pickle on that ham....personally I can't eat ham without it.

 

[georgenorman]

When you were 3? 🤣

So what are you saying - you can't have a view on anything that occurred before you were a certain age?

 

[DanH]

So what are you saying - you can't have a view on anything that occurred before you were a certain age?

Well certainly not if you’re trying to claim a decade was better to live in. You have no idea if the 1950s were better than the 1850s or 1750s.

Even as a child living through a decade it’s rose tinted.

 

[DanH]

Or a teenager, don’t you remember your teenage days 😉

Maybe not the latter ones so much 😇

 

[georgenorman]

Well certainly not if you’re trying to claim a decade was better to live in. You have no idea if the 1950s were better than the 1850s or 1750s.

Even as a child living through a decade it’s rose tinted.

Well, you often sound like you were born yesterday, so that kind of limits what you should comment on, doesn't it?

 

[DanH]

Well, you often sound like you were born yesterday, so that kind of limits what you should comment on, doesn't it?

One of these days George you’ll say something funny, I have faith.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Didn’t even realise this. Slightly worried what’s going on in my subconscious. Maybe I’m pregnant.

Whatever you do, don't watch Deliverance.

 

[Spindle]

Britain was one of the richest countries in the world in 1951. By 1952 British manufacturing employed 40% of the workforce and was responsible for a quarter of the world’s manufacturing exports. Britain was the leading world producer of ships and the leading European producer of coal, steel, cars and textiles. Electronics and engineering, oil refining and chemical production were all growing British industries. Most industrial products bought in Britain in the 1950s were made in Britain. A reduction in working hours in the 1950s led to more leisure time and greater spending on leisure activities. By the end of the 1950s Britain had a higher income per head of population than anywhere else in the world except for the USA. Between 1955 and 1969 prices increased by 63%, while weekly earnings rose 130%, which meant that workers could afford to buy more with the money they earned. There was a rising demand for unskilled and semi-skilled workers which led to increasing employment for young people. Wages for teenagers were 50% higher in 1957 than in 1938. Full employment meant that people could change jobs more easily and earn better salaries. This led to higher wages as employers competed to recruit the best candidates for their businesses. Public sympathy made the government give reasonable pay rises to teachers and nurses - wages continued to rise throughout the 1960s. Tax cuts meant that workers got to keep more of the money they earned. Consumer spending increased by 115% in the 1950s, and by 1965 necessities like food and clothing made up only 31% of spending. Rationing had come to an end, wages were rising and taxes were falling. Prices fell as exports and productivity increased, helped by technological production processes that reduced costs. People were spending more money because they felt more financially secure and better off than they had ever been before. They had more money to spend on goods, and a greater variety of goods from which to choose. As the demand for more consumer items grew, prices fell, allowing more people to buy these items. Consumers now considered that goods such as televisions, refrigerators, music systems and cars were a basic requirement. Before the war these had been luxury items available only to the most privileged sections of society. Car ownership rose by 250% between 1951 and 1961, the number of televisions increased 32% just between 1957 and 1959. Government figures showed a sharp rise in expenditure on food, clothes, shoes, household goods and technological items such as televisions and record players.

Oh, and not long before we had fought a World War and destroyed real far right enemies.

Lol copy and paste. But it's not what I said.

"the United Kingdom was bailed out by the United States in the 1950s through the Anglo-American Loan"

This is what I said, your essay above doesn't disprove any of it.

 

[georgenorman]

Lol copy and paste. But it's not what I said.

"the United Kingdom was bailed out by the United States in the 1950s through the Anglo-American Loan"

This is what I said, your essay above doesn't disprove any of it.

Well, it’s not what you said, is it. You said, in your delightful way, and I quote: “Christ, you really are clueless. We were f***ing bankrupt in the 50s and got bailed out by the USA. You don't have a damn clue about any of this”.
That was in reply to me posting “1950s you mean?” when you asked: “Remember when we had a stable government and economy for more than a few months at a time?”
My post illustrated that we did indeed have a stable government and economy for more than a few months at a time in the 1950s.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I literally lived through it, there were loads of polls conducted showing dissatisfaction with the EU....the leave argument was pretty strong for twenty years before Brexit.

What do you want me to do exactly? Spend my time researching polls from pre Brexit? What am I your 'research b1tch' or something....You want a cup of tea with that too?

I like this 'oh go and prove it' stuff from people you've never seen do any research from requests themselves. I'll tell you what Spindle, I'll go and research it if you promise me you'll go and research some topic I decide on as well......Because I've done that thankless crap loads of times and all you get is excuses and denial anyway.

I lived through it too. I am 80 and a grown up throughout our entire membership.

You are talking billhooks.

There was a relatively small, but very noisy, anti Europe, caucus throughout our membership. Most just accepted it as the new reality. Especially the young for whom it provided new opportunities and a different identity. It only grew when UKIP started its populist nonsense and was placing the blame for everything on the EU.

You might have just been surrounded by those making similar noises or reading the tripe published by the right wing tabloids. It was never true of most of us.

 

[DanH]

I lived through it too. I am 80 and a grown up throughout our entire membership.

You are talking billhooks.

There was a relatively small, but very noisy, anti Europe, caucus throughout our membership. Most just accepted it as the new reality. Especially the young for whom it provided new opportunities and a different identity. It only grew when UKIP started its populist nonsense and was placing the blame for everything on the EU.

You might have just been surrounded by those making similar noises or reading the tripe published by the right wing tabloids. It was never true of most of us.

Wisbech, you may be 80, but you’re old enough to learn one more thing - bollocks gets through the swear filter on here 😎

Edit - Stirling, I missed an open goal about your posts here. Make the joke yourself 😘

 

[georgenorman]

Wisbech, you may be 80, but you’re old enough to learn one more thing - bollocks gets through the swear filter on here 😎

Edit - Stirling, I missed an open goal about your posts here. Make the joke yourself 😘

It's true that you have made up then.