Reform

[Hrolf The Ganger]

We can't leave the f***ing human rights act and sort out immigration while we remain in your precious economically bust EU.

You'd install the permanent liberal order permanently in this country just for your own personal reasons.

He seems a little conflicted.

 

[ASCPFC]

He is an experienced Parliamentarian, which Reform needs. I don't suppose that Farage sees him as anything more than a useful ally to add experience and know how when in government.

He will be out the door if he proves to be a liability.

I feel like it's tainted goods and unnecessary personally. I don't want Reform taking all the Tories, frankly. They're as much to blame for everything as anyone else. I want a clean break but it looks like we'll never get it.

 

[Matov]

I feel like it's tainted goods and unnecessary personally. I don't want Reform taking all the Tories, frankly. They're as much to blame for everything as anyone else. I want a clean break but it looks like we'll never get it.

If ever anymore proof were needed about Reform, sadly, not being the answer, then today is it.

Rupert Lowe needs to put something together on a national level. Then we might be cooking.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I feel like it's tainted goods and unnecessary personally. I don't want Reform taking all the Tories, frankly. They're as much to blame for everything as anyone else. I want a clean break but it looks like we'll never get it.

A necessary evil I'd say. Reform are a new party and they need depth. Winning the election is all that matters right now.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

If ever anymore proof were needed about Reform, sadly, not being the answer, then today is it.

Rupert Lowe needs to put something together on a national level. Then we might be cooking.

This is delusional Matov. Rupert Lowe might have his day, but it will not be at the next election.

 

[ASCPFC]

A necessary evil I'd say. Reform are a new party and they need depth. Winning the election is all that matters right now.

It won't be worth it if they're just Tories. But undoubtedly preferable to anything else currently. I've just always suspected Farage and Reform aren't the answer.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

It won't be worth it if they're just Tories. But undoubtedly preferable to anything else currently. I've just always suspected Farage and Reform aren't the answer.

The Tory right were never the problem. They are in a minority in their party. Reform is where some of them belong.
You have your Rupert Lowe types at the other end of the scale, but people like him will not get enough votes.
Once Reform are in power, we can worry about how Right wing they are.

 

[Stirlingsays]

If ever anymore proof were needed about Reform, sadly, not being the answer, then today is it.

Rupert Lowe needs to put something together on a national level. Then we might be cooking.

You're right about Reform not being the answer......But because most people who vote are normies, they are the least worse option.

They will come in, try their version of warmed up Thatcherism....Find the civil service (Labour will pass laws making it very difficult to sack them) and judges blocking them at every turn and end up blaming everything other than themselves.....when they can see what's about to happen as clear as anyone else.

But the normies will just see excuses and failure.

Then that's the time for Lowe or Downes.....Stuff will get spicy because what really needs to happen in this country requires far more than warmed up Thatcherism.

But in the meantime getting these fecking authoritarian liberals out makes more sense.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You're right about Reform not being the answer......But because most people who vote are normies, they are the least worse option.

They will come in, try their version of warmed up Thatcherism....Find the civil service (Labour will pass laws making it very difficult to sack them) and judges blocking them at every turn and end up blaming everything other than themselves.....when they can see what's about to happen as clear as anyone else.

But the normies will just see excuses and failure.

Then that's the time for Lowe or Downes.....Stuff will get spicy because what really needs to happen in this country requires far more than warmed up Thatcherism.

But in the meantime getting these fecking authoritarian liberals out makes more sense.

I think it is important that the institutional resistance to the necessary policies be exposed. The time for political excuses is over. The bare truth of how our own system is killing us must be understood by the average Joe. They must see how the Leftists in Europe are desperate to cling to power and will try to resist opposition where ever it threatens.
To change Britain in the face of all that will be an enormous task, and on that requires determination and the support of the majority for numerous terms.

Farage will hopefully be the man to lead the first wave. The elements that are undermining us must be removed.

 

[DanH]

You're right about Reform not being the answer......But because most people who vote are normies, they are the least worse option.

They will come in, try their version of warmed up Thatcherism....Find the civil service (Labour will pass laws making it very difficult to sack them) and judges blocking them at every turn and end up blaming everything other than themselves.....when they can see what's about to happen as clear as anyone else.

But the normies will just see excuses and failure.

Then that's the time for Lowe or Downes.....Stuff will get spicy because what really needs to happen in this country requires far more than warmed up Thatcherism.

But in the meantime getting these fecking authoritarian liberals out makes more sense.

You thinking you’re on some sort of higher enlightened political plane than us mere plebs will never fail to make me howl with laughter.

The ‘dissident right’ Adrian Mole strikes again.

 

[Stirlingsays]

You thinking you’re on some sort of higher enlightened political plane than us mere plebs will never fail to make me howl with laughter.

The ‘dissident right’ Adrian Mole strikes again.

Yeah, when this all pans out you will be noticeably absent.

As usual.....Mr Dan 'the economy will be fine' H.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think it is important that the institutional resistance to the necessary policies be exposed. The time for political excuses is over. The bare truth of how our own system is killing us must be understood by the average Joe. They must see how the Leftists in Europe are desperate to cling to power and will try to resist opposition where ever it threatens.
To change Britain in the face of all that will be an enormous task, and on that requires determination and the support of the majority for numerous terms.

Farage will hopefully be the man to lead the first wave. The elements that are undermining us must be removed.

Labour and their mates within the institutions will literally spend three years fixing the system against them as much as possible......Even this far out, they know they are a one term government.....but they will want to bed in internationalism to make it near impossible to untangle.

Reform will need a considerable win....and probably Tory support to do what is necessary.

That's that's even if they decide they want to overthrown the Blair/Brown disastrous laws.

 

[DanH]

For those thinking the next election, which is still 3 and a half years away by the way, is some sort of Reform shoe in, Nigel Farage is very unpopular when it comes to being PM.

Who would be the best prime minister? January 2026 | YouGov

Kemi Badenoch now tied with Keir Starmer on who would be the better PM

yougov.co.uk

Expect plenty of pacts and ‘normies’ voting to keep Reform out if (and it’s a huge if) polling is similar at election time to now.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Labour and their mates within the institutions will literally spend three years fixing the system against them as much as possible.

Reform will need a considerable win....and probably Tory support to do what is necessary.

That's that's even if they decide they want to overthrown the Blair/Brown disastrous laws.

Yep. It will require an understanding of what is necessary to remove this government, as well as some rare bravery and honesty to undo the damage done by Blair, Brown and Starmer and set us on a new path.
If it needs a Reform/Tory alliance, then so be it. That will happen if Farage thinks it's necessary, although I'll be surprised if much of the Tory party is left at this rate.

The main thing is that policy can be passed through Parliament.

 

[Matov]

For those thinking the next election, which is still 3 and a half years away by the way, is some sort of Reform shoe in, Nigel Farage is very unpopular when it comes to being PM.

Who would be the best prime minister? January 2026 | YouGov

Kemi Badenoch now tied with Keir Starmer on who would be the better PM

yougov.co.uk

Expect plenty of pacts and ‘normies’ voting to keep Reform out if (and it’s a huge if) polling is similar at election time to now.

I actually would cheer on the 'normies' voting to keep Reform out because it will create so much anger and frustration that people might be willing to actually cross all sorts of lines they ain't willing to at the moment I get the smug Soc.lib daisy chain chortling should such a thing happen would be vomit inducing but I would very much suggest it a case of being careful what you wish for.

Reform are not for me. Turning into just another part of the Uniparty system with todays announcement further proof of that. But if you lefties all band together just to keep Reform out then the anger they are currently being used to diffuse does not go away. Just becomes more intense. And then hopefully easier to direct towards the kind of change the likes of me want.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I actually would cheer on the 'normies' voting to keep Reform out because it will create so much anger and frustration that people might be willing to actually cross all sorts of lines they ain't willing to at the moment I get the smug Soc.lib daisy chain chortling should such a thing happen would be vomit inducing but I would very much suggest it a case of being careful what you wish for.

Reform are not for me. Turning into just another part of the Uniparty system with todays announcement further proof of that. But if you lefties all band together just to keep Reform out then the anger they are currently being used to diffuse does not go away. Just becomes more intense. And then hopefully easier to direct towards the kind of change the likes of me want.

And what is that exactly?

 

[Matov]

And what is that exactly?

I am tending towards what could be best described as a new form of Government altogether. A complete reimaging of the justice system, even potentially dumping the King as head of state, that kind of thing. And that is not going to come about by voting for Reform. However this is very much a work in progress which does require a lot of very red, and very engrained, lines to be crossed by millions of people. Suspect those who agree with my line of thinking probably barely reach more than say 10,000 at most. But its a start.

Perhaps a complete reimaging of what the 'United Kingdom' even means anymore? For example, I see the current Royal Family as part of the problem, not part of the solution.

And I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that if my chums on the Left conspire to keep Reform out then it helps this perhaps happen. I don't actually expect any of this to happen in my life time by the way and am still very much on a journey myself but I am almost completely finished with any kind of notion that we can vote our way out of this mess, at least the FPTP system we have at the moment.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I am tending towards what could be best described as a new form of Government altogether. A complete reimaging of the justice system, even potentially dumping the King as head of state, that kind of thing. And that is not going to come about by voting for Reform. However this is very much a work in progress which does require a lot of very red, and very engrained, lines to be crossed by millions of people. Suspect those who agree with my line of thinking probably barely reach more than say 10,000 at most. But its a start.

Perhaps a complete reimaging of what the 'United Kingdom' even means anymore? For example, I see the current Royal Family as part of the problem, not part of the solution.

And I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that if my chums on the Left conspire to keep Reform out then it helps this perhaps happen. I don't actually expect any of this to happen in my life time by the way and am still very much on a journey myself but I am almost completely finished with any kind of notion that we can vote our way out of this mess, at least the FPTP system we have at the moment.

Wishing for something and making it happen are two different things. There has to be a process.

We will never get an uprising in a country like this where life is too comfortable. Any change will only come via the ballot box. Things change when it becomes political suicide to resist it. The people have to use the only real power they have and vote against what they don't want.

Getting people on board for major change takes very careful navigation.

 

[Matov]

Wishing for something and making it happen are two different things. There has to be a process.

But the process will not allow that change to happen. That is the point of it. A part of me, admittedly with the tin-foil hat firmly in place, even wonders if today's announcement is actually part of a wider plan to scupper Reform? Because this makes no logical sense at all. It's clear it's losing Reform support all over the place and will probably force Rupert Lowe to throw his ring into the hat on a national level.

A bizarre 'defection' given how much can be thrown at this wretched man.