Reform

[beak]

I can appreciate your thinking based on the previous 100 polls, however the General Election is not in the near future.My view on Reform has been well documented on HOL !

The battle for us Conservatives is now for attention and exposure. Conference,which I am attending, offers a rare moment where the media will sit and take notice of what it is the Conservatives currently have to say.Policy announcements will be met with and reported on accordingly. News of Conference will carry on to the airwaves and appear on the television.

Conservatives will arrive at Conference with a clear plan to make headlines and make interventions which will find their way to the news feeds and television screens of the electorate.

Oh no! You won't be doing bungee jumps and paddling the Severn Bore like Ed Davey,Labour head Office will be quaking in their boots as they badly need the Tory party to split the right wing vote, don't do it 'phone the Samaritans instead and find the nearest defibrilator.

 

[beak]

Nationalising energy and utilities, removing the 2 child benefit cap aren't very right wing though.

I like those Ideas your cooking with gas today. 👍

 

[Willo]

Any Tory success will only help Labour. People need to vote for the party that can win. I know you don't want to hear it.

With respect, I fully appreciate your mindset given the polling, however I can only re-amplify that such statements years away from an election can sometimes not age well !

I fully accept that, at present, not only do we have a popularity issue, we have a problem actually being heard.On a regular basis we witness the electorate expressing their views about Labour, Starmer, the government, Farage, and Reform. Precious little about anything the Conservatives or Badenoch has said or done.
Conference provides us with the opportunity to wrestle some attention away from Reform and bring the Conservatives more into focus.We cannot allow an opportunity for coverage and attention to be wasted.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

With respect, I fully appreciate your mindset given the polling, however I can only re-amplify that such statements years away from an election can sometimes not age well !

I fully accept that, at present, not only do we have a popularity issue, we have a problem actually being heard.On a regular basis we witness the electorate expressing their views about Labour, Starmer, the government, Farage, and Reform. Precious little about anything the Conservatives or Badenoch has said or done.
Conference provides us with the opportunity to wrestle some attention away from Reform and bring the Conservatives more into focus.We cannot allow an opportunity for coverage and attention to be wasted.

I admire your optimism.

 

[Willo]

Oh no! You won't be doing bungee jumps and paddling the Severn Bore like Ed Davey,Labour head Office will be quaking in their boots as they badly need the Tory party to split the right wing vote, don't do it 'phone the Samaritans instead and find the nearest defibrilator.

I thank you for your advice.
🙄🙄🙄

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I admire your optimism.

Reminds me of the band on the Titanic!

 

[beak]

With respect, I fully appreciate your mindset given the polling, however I can only re-amplify that such statements years away from an election can sometimes not age well !

I fully accept that, at present, not only do we have a popularity issue, we have a problem actually being heard.On a regular basis we witness the electorate expressing their views about Labour, Starmer, the government, Farage, and Reform. Precious little about anything the Conservatives or Badenoch has said or done.
Conference provides us with the opportunity to wrestle some attention away from Reform and bring the Conservatives more into focus.We cannot allow an opportunity for coverage and attention to be wasted.

Masterly understatement you are peerless. Hitler wasn't liked by everybody (that sort of stuff)..

 

[beak]

I thank you for your advice.
🙄🙄🙄

We really need you to split the right wing vote,obviously you are now the junior partners to Mr.Farago.

 

[Willo]

I admire your optimism.

The Conservatives are still rebuilding but unforgiven, Labour in the deep 'Merde' and Reform the untested but untainted bright and shiny new dish on the menu. Reform in particular have now agreed that the Conservatives can and should be ignored. They tell anyone the Conservatives are dead, 'Kaput'.
Of course they say that because they need it to be true, and are desperate for the public, and seemingly any Conservatives they can find, to give up the fight and surrender. They want it to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
There are Conservatives who are staying to fight, rebuild and win again.I am glad to report that I am a member of this determined cohort.

 

[Willo]

We really need you to split the right wing vote,obviously you are now the junior partners to Mr.Farago.

This is what he wants everybody to believe. Having the ability to grab the headlines is different from being ready for office.
The answer is not showmanship but serious sustained accountability.The answer is also not a set of hastily assembled knee-jerk reactions and outlandish pledges. We do not need one-note opportunists who simply catch the prevailing mood.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

The Conservatives are still rebuilding but unforgiven, Labour in the deep 'Merde' and Reform the untested but untainted bright and shiny new dish on the menu. Reform in particular have now agreed that the Conservatives can and should be ignored. They tell anyone the Conservatives are dead, 'Kaput'.
Of course they say that because they need it to be true, and are desperate for the public, and seemingly any Conservatives they can find, to give up the fight and surrender. They want it to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
There are Conservatives who are staying to fight, rebuild and win again.I am glad to report that I am a member of this determined cohort.

I'm sure they will, but not this time.
Oddly enough, I suspect that Reform getting in and messing it up is the Tories best route back to power.

Between now and the election, we will see a lot of meaningless promises from Tory and Labour, which, as usual, will evaporate if they were to become the government. They will repackage Reform policy and claim it as their own, and throw shade a Farage at every opportunity. We will see manufactured protests from left wing groups, probably arranged by Labour, and huge amounts of money spent telling us how great multiculturalism is.

The Right should be concentrating on wiping out the large majority the current mob enjoys.
That means getting behind the man who has the momentum, if that momentum is maintained until 2029.
Splitting the vote will only mean gains for Labour.

This is where people have to put preserving Britain before party loyalty.

 

[silvertop]

With respect, I fully appreciate your mindset given the polling, however I can only re-amplify that such statements years away from an election can sometimes not age well !

I fully accept that, at present, not only do we have a popularity issue, we have a problem actually being heard.On a regular basis we witness the electorate expressing their views about Labour, Starmer, the government, Farage, and Reform. Precious little about anything the Conservatives or Badenoch has said or done.
Conference provides us with the opportunity to wrestle some attention away from Reform and bring the Conservatives more into focus.We cannot allow an opportunity for coverage and attention to be wasted.

All correct. The Tories have had to reinvent and morph many times during their long history. If there was only one party that could achieve that it is them. Thus, who now sees the parliamentary Tory Party as Remain?

Their problem is 3 fold.

Their abysmal 14 years in power (especially the last 5) has not and will not have been forgotten e.g. Labour rehash their failures every time any of their members speak.

Reform will split their vote to the detriment of both parties.

Many traditional Tory voters are not ready for a black woman as leader. That is not my view. It is how I perceive their view. Voters across the Western world may consider themselves to be progressive but they still put their cross beside the white "experienced" male. Reform's totems are Farage and Tice.

 

[silvertop]

This is what he wants everybody to believe. Having the ability to grab the headlines is different from being ready for office.
The answer is not showmanship but serious sustained accountability.The answer is also not a set of hastily assembled knee-jerk reactions and outlandish pledges. We do not need one-note opportunists who simply catch the prevailing mood.

Yet in the current one-note social media world that is exactly what will garner votes.

 

[chris123]

I thank you for your advice.
🙄🙄🙄

Here's a bit, try and do on the other benches what you didn’t do in government and 4 years is long time, no supporting things that cost money we haven't got.

 

[Willo]

All correct. The Tories have had to reinvent and morph many times during their long history. If there was only one party that could achieve that it is them. Thus, who now sees the parliamentary Tory Party as Remain?

Their problem is 3 fold.

Their abysmal 14 years in power (especially the last 5) has not and will not have been forgotten e.g. Labour rehash their failures every time any of their members speak.

Reform will split their vote to the detriment of both parties.

Many traditional Tory voters are not ready for a black woman as leader. That is not my view. It is how I perceive their view. Voters across the Western world may consider themselves to be progressive but they still put their cross beside the white "experienced" male. Reform's totems are Farage and Tice.

With respect, I do not accept this allegation.
I have been in conversation with vast numbers of "Traditional Tory voters" and not once I have heard this view expressed nor been given any indication that this is the 'Mood music' amongst the blue rosette brigade.

 

[beak]

With respect, I do not accept this allegation.
I have been in conversation with vast numbers of "Traditional Tory voters" and not once I have heard this view expressed nor been given any indication that this is the 'Mood music' amongst the blue rosette brigade.

You must have gone to a Reform meeting. 😆 😆 😆

 

[silvertop]

With respect, I do not accept this allegation.
I have been in conversation with vast numbers of "Traditional Tory voters" and not once I have heard this view expressed nor been given any indication that this is the 'Mood music' amongst the blue rosette brigade.

We will see.

Or rather we will not. It will never be mentioned.

So I guess we will never know.

(BTW, I hope you are right).

 

[beak]

All correct. The Tories have had to reinvent and morph many times during their long history. If there was only one party that could achieve that it is them. Thus, who now sees the parliamentary Tory Party as Remain?

Their problem is 3 fold.

Their abysmal 14 years in power (especially the last 5) has not and will not have been forgotten e.g. Labour rehash their failures every time any of their members speak.

Reform will split their vote to the detriment of both parties.

Many traditional Tory voters are not ready for a black woman as leader. That is not my view. It is how I perceive their view. Voters across the Western world may consider themselves to be progressive but they still put their cross beside the white "experienced" male. Reform's totems are Farage and Tice.

the only possible beneficiary will be Labour. 😆

 

[Willo]

Here's a bit, try and do on the other benches what you didn’t do in government and 4 years is long time, no supporting things that cost money we haven't got.

Conference, which I am attending, offers our first opportunity, together and in person, to take stock and to map the road ahead. It is a chance to recommit ourselves, to our Party, to our country, and to the British people who are already disappointed and disgusted with Labour.
The electorate is not ready to trust us quite yet, we have to earn that trust, but Conference provides an opportunity to demonstrate that we are a party that only promises what it can deliver, that sets realistic and sensible goals and whose policies stem from a fundamental set of long-held principles NOT a plethora of hastily assembled knee-jerk reactions and outlandish pledges.

 

[chris123]

Conference, which I am attending, offers our first opportunity, together and in person, to take stock and to map the road ahead. It is a chance to recommit ourselves, to our Party, to our country, and to the British people who are already disappointed and disgusted with Labour.
The electorate is not ready to trust us quite yet, we have to earn that trust, but Conference provides an opportunity to demonstrate that we are a party that only promises what it can deliver, that sets realistic and sensible goals and whose policies stem from a fundamental set of long-held principles NOT a plethora of hastily assembled knee-jerk reactions and outlandish pledges.

Some mea culpa to the country.