Probably a realistic appraisal, if somewhat depressing.
Parish Out
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thegreatlardino
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Even with all the money Newcastle have access to with the FPP and the big boys club, they cant just buy all the players they want.
We need to be realistic, part of me wants to go back to the championship without fecking VAR & the tourist fans, why anyone wants to come to selhurst on a wednesday night in february does baffle me a tad.
We need to be realistic, part of me wants to go back to the championship without fecking VAR & the tourist fans, why anyone wants to come to selhurst on a wednesday night in february does baffle me a tad.
NEILLO
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Just my suggestion here and you can take it whichever way you like.
Given that I don't agree with the majority of what you post on here, you are , as we all are, entitled to your opinion.
But your repetitive use of exclamation marks makes you come across as suffering from an extreme form of hysteria and actually takes away from any valid points you make.
NEILLO
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You're right, but.....
Let's not forget the potential folly of selling Guehi on the last day of the last transfer window and potentially bringing in Igor as a replacement.
I can just about get my head around keeping Glasner on after he effectively resigned last October but how are you meant to plan for the future after that ?
I certainly didn't expect an FA Cup win to elevate Palace to another level, but I certainly did not expect the club to implode the way it has.
I've always been pro Parish but this is all on his watch. And I don't think the majority would consider staying up as any form of success.
As a fan of nearly 60 years it has occured to me that I might just have reached a personal glass ceiling.
I never thought I'd see us win a trophy or play in Europe. And I've enjoyed it all.
But I'm tired of a rigged competition that is the Premier League. And I'm questioning whether I can continue to to accept that by renewing my season ticket. That's a recurring thought in it's third year now.
What I'm seeing now isn't the worst of times by any stretch. But I'm simply not enjoying it any more.
Willo
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I suspect the majority will be relieved if we manage to remain in the PL given our current plight.
Apropos 'Enjoyment' for Season Ticket holders, there has been precious little given that we have only secured 4 home wins in 17 games (All competitions).
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I, likewise, am debating whether or not to renew my ST especially given an increasingly tiring 7 hour return trip from Birmingham. I'm increasingly asking if it's worth it.
Sounds like jaded fans to go with the jaded players, manager and chairman.
We need something to reignite the club, to bring the positive energy back.
It's doubtful it will come from the manager who may have already have mentally checked out.
It's doubtful it will come from Parish who has remained low profile for months and seems less inclined to engage than he was in the early days.
As I see it the perfect opportunity would be a strong finish to the window with new addition(s) making an impressive impact in a rousing victory over Brighton, followed by another v Burnley.
That would provide the shot of adrenalin that the club needs.
We need something to reignite the club, to bring the positive energy back.
It's doubtful it will come from the manager who may have already have mentally checked out.
It's doubtful it will come from Parish who has remained low profile for months and seems less inclined to engage than he was in the early days.
As I see it the perfect opportunity would be a strong finish to the window with new addition(s) making an impressive impact in a rousing victory over Brighton, followed by another v Burnley.
That would provide the shot of adrenalin that the club needs.
Plenty will disagree maybe but Palace are never going to become a regular top eight side, certainly not top six, might do it once in a while but that’s about it. Winning the cup is as good as it gets for a club like ours, but it doesn’t change what we actually are, which is a club with the potential to remain in the lesser positions of the premier. We are never going to be a, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Cty, etc they are a world away. If we don’t survive this season we merely compete with three quarters of the Championship clubs with similar potential . Parish has always known this and has guided us to the maximum of our potential, yes he is going through a rough period right now, but never forget a relegation probably hurts him in every respect more than almost everyone else.
We have history of imploding after a period of success, as well you know if you have been around for 60 years, its nothing new. Winning the FA Cup was the pinnacle of success we can achieve, the whole Premier League set up is designed to stop other clubs breaking into the top 4. The bigger clubs just buy our best players and there is little we can do about it, due to FFP and PSR etc.
cryrst
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So it’s not really a palace issue then! It’s a football issue which SP has no control over in the bigger picture.
In all the years of the PL, winners of the FA Cup other than the top 6 (effectively 5 as Spurs have not won it during this period) are Everton (over 30 years ago), Portsmouth, Wigan, Leicester and us. Not an encouraging portent
NEILLO
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It’s a combination of both.
The Premier League didn’t force Parish to endorse the sale of Guehi twice without having what most of us consider to be a replacement.
Nor did it make him preside over the sale of Mateta , the on off purchase of Strand Larsen and the loan signing of a player that chose to go elsewhere last summer.
Add to that the confusing situation with Glasner and it looks like a mess which is borne out by recent results.
Yes, I’m disillusioned with Premier League football and of course that’s not all on him. And yes, agreed that he can’t control everything.
But the bits that he could influence I think he’s come up short.
There’s nothing wrong with finishing in mid table in the Premier League for a club of our size - plenty others would love to be in that position.
But I’m past being grateful for it. He’s the best man for the job if the objective is just to stay in the Premier League. And increasingly that’s about as much as can be hoped for.
So it’s not a competition in the true sense of the word.
I’d no doubt feel differently if the farcical events of this season hadn’t taken place. But they have
NEILLO
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Agreed.
I wrote a piece which was started specifically in response to the Chelsea game but fed into my personal issues with the Premier League.
It has been forwarded to Steve Parish , with my agreement, by a mutual friend who is one of SP’s long standing mates from their schooldays .
I’m not expecting any feedback but if I get any then I’ll share it on here
cryrst
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That is commitment. You can take the boy out of palace but etc etc
I would consider you might need a cat scan 😁👍🥇
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I think in some ways your probably not alone in that boat, (or train as it were) there are probably quite a few lifetime supporters who feel that the winning of the FA Cup & the Charity Shield has been a kinda line in the sand, something which has justified (if that's the right word) all those years of dogged trudging around the country following your team- after that the whole "money circus" seems to stare you in the face with more clarity than ever before & you think to yourself, everything that attracted me to the game has changed, almost beyond recognition, is it really worth it, maybe save the season ticket money, get some sports streaming service at half the price of a season ticket & watch whatever u want at home.
I love being in the stadium, watching it live (its only live once) my trip to Selhurst is only 90 minutes each way & I too have had similar thoughts -
Rudi Hedman
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Price of one match day more like.
Teddy Eagle
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Blimey. He was on in it early today.
Paul Salvage
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I want to try and put some perspective on all this hate towards Parish and the board by some of the supporter base. Before this period of success in the Premier League we had never managed to stay in the Premier league for more than one season before being relegated.
We were in the old 1st division when the Prem started and unfortunately we were relegated in the first season of the Prem league and then embarked on a series of promotions (3) and relegations until we finally got promoted in 2013, and have been there ever since.
However when you look at the number of years we have spent in the top flight it amounts to a total of 25 seasons, so considering we have been in the top flight now for 13 seasons it doesn’t take a mathematician to work out that since 1905 we have only ever been in the top league for 12 previous seasons.
We have traditionally been a 2nd tier team and have spent a total of 37 years in the second division and a further 47 years in between the 3rd tier down to non league. Albeit these were the early formative years.
Then when you take into account our record in the fa cup, we have got to the final on 2 previous occasions and lost both games to ManU and the variously named league cup we have never got beyond the semifinals.
Beyond the football we have been in administration on 2 separate occasions, and the last period in 2010 we were very close to no longer having a club to support.
I don’t disagree that we all would have expected the board to strengthen the squad in the summer, and yes we did spend £80m but didn’t get much value for our money this time. This is why the transfer market is so difficult to navigate, furthermore none of us have all the info on who we tried to get and who turned us down.
So on reflection we are actually doing quite well. Yes we would all love to break into the top 6 every year, and win a cup every few years but the reality is this is never going to happen. The game is rigged to prevent clubs outside of the top 6 from penetrating their monopoly.
So if you are still reading this long winded post, all I ask is that we all give the board some slack and trust/hope that they turn this current malaise around. Then if we do what we are good at and get behind the team we can hopefully all get back on the same page.
COYP
We were in the old 1st division when the Prem started and unfortunately we were relegated in the first season of the Prem league and then embarked on a series of promotions (3) and relegations until we finally got promoted in 2013, and have been there ever since.
However when you look at the number of years we have spent in the top flight it amounts to a total of 25 seasons, so considering we have been in the top flight now for 13 seasons it doesn’t take a mathematician to work out that since 1905 we have only ever been in the top league for 12 previous seasons.
We have traditionally been a 2nd tier team and have spent a total of 37 years in the second division and a further 47 years in between the 3rd tier down to non league. Albeit these were the early formative years.
Then when you take into account our record in the fa cup, we have got to the final on 2 previous occasions and lost both games to ManU and the variously named league cup we have never got beyond the semifinals.
Beyond the football we have been in administration on 2 separate occasions, and the last period in 2010 we were very close to no longer having a club to support.
I don’t disagree that we all would have expected the board to strengthen the squad in the summer, and yes we did spend £80m but didn’t get much value for our money this time. This is why the transfer market is so difficult to navigate, furthermore none of us have all the info on who we tried to get and who turned us down.
So on reflection we are actually doing quite well. Yes we would all love to break into the top 6 every year, and win a cup every few years but the reality is this is never going to happen. The game is rigged to prevent clubs outside of the top 6 from penetrating their monopoly.
So if you are still reading this long winded post, all I ask is that we all give the board some slack and trust/hope that they turn this current malaise around. Then if we do what we are good at and get behind the team we can hopefully all get back on the same page.
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NEILLO
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Starmeresque delusion