Palace v Liverpool match thread

Phil’s Barber said:
I did pal! I saw the reaction first hand and remember it well!

I’m originally from the Midlands and have a lot of friends who are Forest Fans (including my best mate) and they were at that match at Hillsborough for the Semi-Final. Some of them went on the pitch as it unfolded to help. All of them saw things that day that they are still massively scarred by.

They saw Liverpool supporters being absolute scum! Pissed up, fighting with the police, who were trying to help and others stealing watches, jewellery and money from unconscious people being treated on the pitch. They stated this to me that very evening when they returned from the game - before any of the media reports filtered through in the following day(s). They were disgusted, traumatised and still hate Liverpool supporters today because of it.

The issues that day were caused by Liverpool supporters (many of whom were drunk) forcing their way into the stadium without tickets! They are renowned for this and always have been!

I’m a retired police officer having served 35 years with the Met Police. I have worked hundreds of games at London grounds during that time, numerous ones involving Liverpool and Everton. I’ve also worked loads of their Wembley games during that time and for 20 odd years of my service I worked them as an FIO (Football Intelligence Officer).

EVERY Wembley game involving either Liverpool or Everton we would have hundreds & hundreds of ejections because of unauthorised entry. Forgeries, duplicate tickets, photocopies, bunking in, forcing open the barriers, bribing stewards & gate staff and mates getting in and opening up fire exits or gates from inside to let their mates in. Any other Wembley game involving ANY other team and we’d have on average 30-50 ejections. Put Liverpool or Everton there and we’d have 400 plus!!!

I also worked a particular match at Chelsea and was situated at the Bovril Gate and witnessed first hand, pissed up, ticketless Liverpool supporters trying to force their way into the Bovril Gate en masse, we’re talking hundreds trying to push through police lines and then those that did get through rushed the turnstiles and gates and forced their way into the ground, this was many years AFTER Hillsborough. It was known beforehand that they were going to do this as we had source intel from within the fanbase attending the game that this was being planned. Liverpool of ALL teams planning to do this!

I have also witnessed first hand this same behaviour at West Ham (Upton Park) and with Everton supporters at Fulham. I’ve only ever seen this large scale, ticketless, forced entry on that scale (with English domestic clubs) with Liverpool or Everton supporters.

I could go on listing several more shocking personal experiences with the supporters of these two teams but a lot of it is just repetition of the same theme; Drunk, ticketless, abusive, violent, indecent and intent on getting in the ground AT ANY COST.

We also had a number of Palace supporters scammed by supposed Liverpool fans with Club Wembley FA Cup Semi Final & Final tickets.

I was 19 at the time of Hillsborough - a complete football fanatic, attending Palace matches every weekend home & away. I was also an adult, working full time as a police officer, having joined the Met and moved down to London at age 18.

I obviously don’t know but you may have only been 11 at the time of Hillsborough??? (Judging by your registered members name on here?). Possibly attending school or maybe stealing hub caps? Either way, if I’m correct about your age & circumstances then there’s absolutely no question who has the clearer ‘experience’ of the day or of the ‘national reaction’ as you put it, or of what happened in the aftermath of the reporting!

EVERYONE bar the ‘never their fault’ brigade know what happened that day and why.

Everyone bar the ‘never their fault’ brigade know that it was the Liverpool supporters who were responsible for the Hesysel Stadium tragedy and deaths in 1985.

Everyone bar the ‘never their fault’ brigade know why it was only the Liverpool ‘fans’ that had issues on the concourse and at the turnstiles of the Stade de France (Champions League Final 2022) when the thousands upon thousands of Real Madrid supporters had NO issues whatsoever 🙄

Let me be clear, I have the utmost sympathy and compassion for the Liverpool supporters who died that day at Hillsborough and with the families who lost loved ones.

They were the innocent victims who had match tickets and who were in the ground early and at the front of the terracing.
They were tragically crushed to death by their own supporters who forced their way in and onto a massively overcrowded Leppings Lane terrace!

I cannot overstate my utter disgust at what I’ve witnessed from Liverpool supporters during my 55 years and from what I have seen reported and heard from others.

My absolute and total contempt and dislike for their fan base as a whole, is as a result of this…and their ‘unfortunate’ habit of always being involved in these events.

Their pathetic and repugnant treatment of our Country’s National Anthem today has just served to affirm everything I’ve ever thought about them.
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If you’re a retired police officer why do you spout such bile and hate? I imagine if you were serving today you’d be suspended pretty sharpish!!
 
Pete53 said:
I think the vast majority of Palace fans were respectful of the minute silence. The trouble is if there is 99.99% silence any idiot shouting out is very very conspicuous. Also, a number of people around me were shouting for those making a noise to be quiet, and from a distance it would have been easy to mistake them for for being part of the idiot contingency.

And, I have to say, I don't think Ive ever been at a football match where a minutes silence is observed 100%, and that's why a minutes applause is often used to avoid this situation.
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Remember that time we played Millwall in about 2004? They'd brought about 6500 to the game. There was a silence for someone pre kickoff, and 20 seconds into an impeccable silence someone in the holmesdale lower bellow "You Fackin Scum" and the whole stadium heard. Millwall fans poured across the seat netting lol
 
pw1965 said:
If you’re a retired police officer why do you spout such bile and hate? I imagine if you were serving today you’d be suspended pretty sharpish!!
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I’ve explained at great length why I dislike them so much. My 35+ years of service with the Met and my efforts to uphold the law fairly and firmly are very much a part of why I feel the way I do. I can’t change that, as I’ve said previously, Neuroplasticity is a scientific fact.

‘IF’ I were serving today…well I’m not.

Retirement from the police service is a wonderful thing, especially as it means I’m no longer constrained by its Code of Conduct and therefore no longer have to bite my tongue.

I don’t mean for the above to sound rude or abrupt but after all these years it’s such a relief to now have the freedoms of everybody else.
 
Frenchaigle said:
The official enquiry doesn't agree with you ,even the Sun newspaper acknowledged they made stories up ,why are you still repeating the lies ?.
You sound very bitter and angry at an entire city .
The booing of the national anthem is an anti English thing ,they feel more Irish.
Started with the potato famine ,many came from Ireland to Liverpool.
The Thatcher years ,managed decline of the city .
Hillsborough cover up .
It's an anti establishment feeling .
Yes Heysel was on a section of Liverpool fans ,the 70 / 80 s were the bad old days for many clubs .
We probably had a firm aswell .
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Glad you're dealing with facts that PB decides rather to beat the establishment drum of bullshit.
 
maddog said:
The “ticketless fans” lie has been thoroughly debunked by a public enquiry and a few excellent documentaries. These use witness accounts to explain what happened. Liverpool fans were expected to enter the ground from the end with a limited number of turnstiles which meant that a large number were still trying to get in at kick off. The FA officials refused to delay the start and instead the police ordered the gates to be opened. Liverpool fans were then channeled through a tunnel onto an already packed stand. Fans were climbing fences to the pitch to try to escape the deadly crush. Police officers eventually realised what was happening and started taking the fences down but too late for many who were laid on the pitch with their mates and family trying to revive them. Lives could have been saved if the police had allowed ambulances waiting outside the ground onto the pitch but they refused until much later when many had passed away. The police then made up lies like “hundreds of ticketless fans” and “fans robbing the dead” to divert from their own criminal negligence. But yes keep repeating the lies if it makes you feel justified in your hate.
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Again, thank you for the facts.
 
doombear said:
Moving on.
An interesting assessment of the match from a tactical standpoint

www.attackingfootball.com

Glasner’s Masterstroke: A Reality Check To Liverpool

Yet Oliver Glasner, ever the chess player, spotted a flaw and twisted the board. With Muñoz charging unchecked down the right and Kerkez repeatedly exposed,
www.attackingfootball.com www.attackingfootball.com
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Quite interesting but hardly groundbreaking that Munoz in space is our main tactic. In my view, reason we won was that Hughes came on and he and Wharton ouclassed Liverpool's second-string midfield
 
PatrickA said:
It is interesting.
In a sense it follows the pattern of the semi final and final too with Munoz continally the out ball down the right providing the width and often in yards of space.
You think it would be relatively straightforward to counteract this by teams doubling up on Munoz and restricting that space for him to operate.
For some reason they don't appear to, or it's more complicated than it seems.
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I'm often surprised that opposing teams don't exploit the space behind Munoz when we lose possession; in those situations he's left stranded way up the pitch.
 
Phil’s Barber said:
I’ve explained at great length why I dislike them so much. My 35+ years of service with the Met and my efforts to uphold the law fairly and firmly are very much a part of why I feel the way I do. I can’t change that, as I’ve said previously, Neuroplasticity is a scientific fact.

‘IF’ I were serving today…well I’m not.

Retirement from the police service is a wonderful thing, especially as it means I’m no longer constrained by its Code of Conduct and therefore no longer have to bite my tongue.

I don’t mean for the above to sound rude or abrupt but after all these years it’s such a relief to now have the freedoms of everybody else.
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Your take on hillsborough is wrong IMO. My father conducted number of post mortem on the victims of that tragedy, so I feel I am familiar with what happened. Kids as young as 16 died that day.

The senior police running it made number of poor decisions leading to the disaster. This has come out in the recent evidence.

Liverpool fans ain’t perfect but they didn’t deserve what happened to them that day
 
Jim_Cannon said:
Your take on hillsborough is wrong IMO. My father conducted number of post mortem on the victims of that tragedy, so I feel I am familiar with what happened. Kids as young as 16 died that day.

The senior police running it made number of poor decisions leading to the disaster. This has come out in the recent evidence.

Liverpool fans ain’t perfect but they didn’t deserve what happened to them that day
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Children as young as ten died that day not sixteen. Cause was mainly compression asphyxia due to crushing - unsurprising given the circumstances.

A number of police officers made poor decisions that day, contributing to the disaster.

Liverpool fans did not deserve what happened to them that day.
 
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