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Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

est1905 said:
While I agree with you UEFA may see that as an act of defiance and exclude us again in future on the grounds that we have disrespected one of their competitions.
Better to go the other way. Go all out to win it. That'll piss them off even more!
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Encourage Hendo to catch the ball on the half way line in the final, really ruffle some feathers.
 
Norbury Old Git said:
If the MCO cut off date (01/03/25) is so relevant in keeping Palace out of the Europa League then surely it equally applies to Lyon. Both teams should be chucked out or allowed in. Lyon’s problem with the French FA is a separate matter. Wigan played in Europe after winning the FA Cup and being relegated.

I suspect Uefa have dug themselves into a big hole by not kicking Palace out when Parish and Textor visited. They led them to believe that by taking relevant action all would be OK irrespective of the 1st March deadline. To go back three weeks later and use the deadline as the reason would not look good especially in court.
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Wigan are not in France. Their rules stipulate you have to be in the top division to be eligible to play in Europe.
In terms of your other point (with MCO) the team finishing higher in their respective league get priority. Lyon finished 8th? We finished 12th.
 
Part Time James said:
Would you still go with it if Oli Glasner said "right then, I'm off"? Innocent question, but for me his opinion matters.
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I would yes though its not a question any of will have to answer . The conference (even though its not an option) is really low grade , and why Forest are trying to jockey themselves into our spot in the Europa league .
Speaking of Glasner though it seems he may be the subject of the problem , Textor was going around giving it large that he was the man that brought him to Palace .
 
Palace in the Blood said:
I think UEAFA are desperate not to go to court of arbitration so will be looking for way out. They see easy way out is to let French authorities make decision on Lyon as this may mean their rules are not challenged.
If Palace are excluded they will go to the court and the rules will be examined and in my view ripped to shreds.
If Palace are not excluded will Forest go to court. In my view No as they don't have case. They will have to explain why their owner put his shares into a blind trust where from memory they need to stay for a period of 12 months and then withdrew them. The answer will be as different competitions no conflict but on 1st of March there was. This supports our arguments that this deadline is not workable and on 1st of March we had no conflicts. In my view the court will decide that if this date is set in stone both forest and olympiacos must be removed from Europe for the cancellation of the blind trust. Forest owner will not take that risk.
The other current scenario is will Palace go to court anyway because of delay and financial implications. I think this is what they are threatening and have reasonable grounds for success.
What UEAFA will try to do is kick can down road till Friday and hope that removes conflicts. Lyons financial situation has not changed in any real sense Eagle has sold CP shares and there is no guarantee they will invest that in Lyon. Far more likely to invest elsewhere possibly Sheffield Wednesday. Eagle still own shares in Lyon and whilst this is ongoing they are worthless. Eagle no longer have directors on Palace or Lyon Board so no control. One of definitions of control is can shareholder sack a director could Textor ever have sacked Parish?
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I think the deadline to register intent is March 1st. The deadline to actually place those shares in blind trust is April 30th. It is also fair to expect Mariniakis to remove his shares from Blind trust once it is certain that Forest and Olympiacos will not be in the same competition.
 
Very often in these situations you get leaks, which even if not definitive they give an indication of the lie of the land . Wouldn’t seem anything from the horses mouth on this , other than the Monday statement.
 
PatrickA said:
I think we are out.

I acknowledge I have no concrete evidence of this, but events of recent weeks point to that.

We should be in - we won the FA Cup fair and square and are a well run club without the taint of corruption/ rule breaking surrounding other clubs who do compete in Europe.

But fairness and football often don’t mix .
I rather suspect the decision has already been made.
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Whatever UEFA decide we are not out until CAS say we are out. Whenever UEFA's rules are challenged at CAS they lose. Same goes for FIFA. So keep the faith. It is not over yet.
 
est1905 said:
Whatever UEFA decide we are not out until CAS say we are out. Whenever UEFA's rules are challenged at CAS they lose. Same goes for FIFA. So keep the faith. It is not over yet.
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Seems to me like UEFA is hoping Lyon loses their appeal in France. That gets them off the hook from making any decision. If Lyon wins their appeal and play in Europa, UEFA will make a decision on Crystal Palace based on whether their lawyers think they can win an appeal by us, or an appeal by Forest. I am not a lawyer, and did not even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
 
Gary St.Andrews said:
The silence from the FA and the Premier League is deafening over this matter, you would think they would fight Palace’s corner. The word spineless springs to mind…..
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You are right re the FA but I have read a few reports that the Premier League as well as most of its members support Palace's right to play in the EL and have sympathy with our situation.

Cant really see what the PL or FA can do except offer public support which they may still do once a decision is made.
 
How long have we got to get this resolved?

This is from the CAS website:

How long does CAS arbitration last ?​

The ordinary procedure lasts between 6 and 12 months.

For the appeals procedure, an award must be pronounced within three months after the transfer of the file to the Panel.

In urgent cases and upon request, the CAS may, within a very short time, order interim measures or suspend the execution of a decision appealed against.
 
Jason Smith said:
How long have we got to get this resolved?

This is from the CAS website:

How long does CAS arbitration last ?​

The ordinary procedure lasts between 6 and 12 months.

For the appeals procedure, an award must be pronounced within three months after the transfer of the file to the Panel.

In urgent cases and upon request, the CAS may, within a very short time, order interim measures or suspend the execution of a decision appealed against.
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While I dont know the timelines it has been reported that due to deadlines for the draw etc as well as the competition start date Palace's case will be both fast tracked and prioritized at CAS should they be asked to hear our case.
 
Gary St.Andrews said:
The silence from the FA and the Premier League is deafening over this matter, you would think they would fight Palace’s corner. The word spineless springs to mind…..
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This has also been in my thoughts. English football is governed by the FA. We have to hope they remember their status soon, before they open themselves to FA Cup winners having to qualify for the UEFA Conference League.

It is about time that they demanded that FA Cup winners get what they have earned.
 
And bear in mind, Palace are one of eight top seeded clubs that automatically progress towards the round of sixteen. Lyon, on the other hand, is a second tier team, who will need to win the play offs in order to progress towards the round of sixteen.

Where's the justice in that?
 
Jason Smith said:
And bear in mind, Palace are one of eight top seeded clubs that automatically progress towards the round of sixteen. Lyon, on the other hand, is a second tier team, who will need to win the play offs in order to progress towards the round of sixteen.

Where's the justice in that?
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Not sure I understand that?
Palace would go straight into the ‘league’ phase rather than have to qualify to take part in the league phase, but I might have got that wrong. The round of sixteen is after the league phase.
 
Have I read correctly that Lyon's appeal decision will be given on Friday? It's all speculation but it must be more likely than unlikely that their appeal will be rejected - and if UEFA are so strict on the March 1 deadline we'd already be out. They must have given us the extra time to restructure, and we have. If Lyon's appeal is turned down then UEFA don't have a decision to make, if Lyon win then they do have a decision to make ... it's only at that point where the speculation starts, but it's more likely than unlikely that UEFA favour Lyon should they win their appeal.
 
ex hibitionist said:
Have I read correctly that Lyon's appeal decision will be given on Friday? It's all speculation but it must be more likely than unlikely that their appeal will be rejected - and if UEFA are so strict on the March 1 deadline we'd already be out. They must have given us the extra time to restructure, and we have. If Lyon's appeal is turned down then UEFA don't have a decision to make, if Lyon win then they do have a decision to make ... it's only at that point where the speculation starts, but it's more likely than unlikely that UEFA favour Lyon should they win their appeal.
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Not necessarily. It may be they are hoping Lyon are relegated so they dont have to make a ruling but that they are still undecided on what will happen if Lyon are reinstated to Ligue 1.
Dont be surprised to see a clear cut decision made on Lyon's situation but they refuse again to give Palace a decision one way or another and it drags on long into July!
 
Jason Smith said:
And bear in mind, Palace are one of eight top seeded clubs that automatically progress towards the round of sixteen. Lyon, on the other hand, is a second tier team, who will need to win the play offs in order to progress towards the round of sixteen.

Where's the justice in that?
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You seem to be jumping a few months and predicting the future here.
It’s a league of 32, in which we play eight games, IF we finish in the top eight THEN we progress to the round of sixteen. The next 16 in the final table then go into the play offs, the bottom eight go out
 
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