Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

[Putitout]

Sky do not know. They are no better than clickbait these days.

They make you laugh, they might as well be someone on here, trying to work it all out.

 

[bicycle repair man]

Palace players and fans thoroughly deserve to be in the Europa League, after winning their first ever major trophy, which may never happen again.
Personally,if uefa say we must play in the conference, I would tell them to stick it.
We should make a point, and refuse to play in it.

 

[PatrickA]

I think we are out.

I acknowledge I have no concrete evidence of this, but events of recent weeks point to that.

We should be in - we won the FA Cup fair and square and are a well run club without the taint of corruption/ rule breaking surrounding other clubs who do compete in Europe.

But fairness and football often don’t mix .
I rather suspect the decision has already been made.

 

[BuzzBeats]

Sky do not know. They are no better than clickbait these days.

That guy has changed his mind in the situation so many times it is surely best to just ignore what he says.

As you say, pure clickbait.

If palace are relegated to conference league, I can’t help but think the fans will need to (peacefully) visibly protest that decision. I don’t think I can just stand by and allow that to happen. It is frankly a complete joke!

 

[Part Time James]

That guy has changed his mind in the situation so many times it is surely best to just ignore what he says.

As you say, pure clickbait.

If palace are relegated to conference league, I can’t help but think the fans will need to (peacefully) visibly protest that decision. I don’t think I can just stand by and allow that to happen. It is frankly a complete joke!

90 minutes of incredibly detailed chants about s*xual acts on live TV gets my vote.

 

[Freedman87]

I would prefer if they 'let' us play in the Europa League, but if we end up in the Conference League then I can't see a real problem.

Still get the trips to Europe, the opposition is a grade weaker, more chance of going a long way, more chance of winning a European trophy.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

90 minutes of incredibly detailed chants about s*xual acts on live TV gets my vote.

Just watch a replay of a Palace game when Clattenburg was reffing. Constant advice about what he could do and should have done to him.

 

[BuzzBeats]

I would prefer if they 'let' us play in the Europa League, but if we end up in the Conference League then I can't see a real problem.

Still get the trips to Europe, the opposition is a grade weaker, more chance of going a long way, more chance of winning a European trophy.

It’s the principle and the moral of the situation. If we allow it to happen we become part of the problem. I’d rather take the stand that we refuse Conference League and then protest at any game that happens in our place.

Maybe I should chill out but it’s a fecking joke.

 

[Nicholas91]

I would prefer if they 'let' us play in the Europa League, but if we end up in the Conference League then I can't see a real problem.

Still get the trips to Europe, the opposition is a grade weaker, more chance of going a long way, more chance of winning a European trophy.

That's a reasonable take on it.

The injustice if that happens will still sting however and I'd be inclined to demonstrate my feelings toward European footballing authorities in the most confrontational way possible.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It’s the principle and the moral of the situation. If we allow it to happen we become part of the problem. I’d rather take the stand that we refuse Conference League and then protest at any game that happens in our place.

Maybe I should chill out but it’s a fecking joke.

Palacexit.
Tell UEFA to listen to Viola Wills -

Got along without you before I met you
Gonna get along without you now.

 

[Spiderman]

But if we withdraw wont that let Brighton in?

I think so, another reason not to withdraw, together with the fact we could win it

 

[Willo]

I think we are out.

I acknowledge I have no concrete evidence of this, but events of recent weeks point to that.

We should be in - we won the FA Cup fair and square and are a well run club without the taint of corruption/ rule breaking surrounding other clubs who do compete in Europe.

But fairness and football often don’t mix .
I rather suspect the decision has already been

I have a sense of foreboding apropos the decision.

 

[pssguy]

I would prefer if they 'let' us play in the Europa League, but if we end up in the Conference League then I can't see a real problem.

Still get the trips to Europe, the opposition is a grade weaker, more chance of going a long way, more chance of winning a European trophy.

Also, the winner goes into the Europa in the following season. Of the four seasons it has been played, English teams have won it twice via Chelsea and West Ham.
Of course, UEFA might change the rules if we qualify via that route...

 

[Uphill]

After reading this in today's Times by the respected Martin Samuel explaining the utter shenanigans at UEFA I feel we are for it:

Watch out, Palace, you may get stitched up good and proper​

In 2005 Uefa was faced with a dilemma. Liverpool had won the Champions League, but finished outside the Premier League qualification places for the following season’s tournament. No problem, you may think, they simply return as holders. Except nobody at Uefa had made provision for that. It had never occurred to anyone within the organisation that a team capable of becoming champions of Europe would not also qualify domestically.

So they turned to the FA for help. English football could remedy this, by taking out the fourth-placed qualifiers and giving the berth to Liverpool. The fourth-placed team that season was Everton. Brian Barwick was chairman of the FA at the time and a known Liverpool fan.

He approached the problem from two directions. The first was through an innate sense of fair play. That season’s domestic competition had begun with the understanding that the top four qualified for the Champions League. Everton had done that, fair and square. It was not right to then tell them that, no, their achievement had been overwritten by a rule not even in place. His second motivation — though never stated — was that he probably liked having a house with windows and a company Jag that wasn’t on fire, and both of those preferences were best served by not removing Everton and giving their spot to his team, Liverpool.

So Barwick informed Uefa it was not the FA’s job to make its rulebook work and suggested it found a way of resolving its own problem. Which Uefa duly did. It put Liverpool in at the first qualifying stage and amended the rules so that, in future, if the holders did not qualify automatically, they took the place of the last through the door — which is what happened when Chelsea usurped Tottenham Hotspur in 2012-13.

Liverpool have benefited in the past from flexible Uefa rules regarding Champions League qualification
ETSUO HARA/GETTY IMAGES
Meaning when it really matters, Uefa tiptoes around even its most keenly held principles, all of which makes one think Crystal Palace are about to get stitched up good and proper. Uefa seems to be doing all it can to give Lyon time to fight their demotion to France’s Ligue 2 over the financial chaos that has engulfed the club. If they are reinstated, that puts them back in the Europa League and may bounce Palace out, because John Textor still had an interest in both clubs when Uefa’s multi-ownership deadline for this season’s competition passed on March 1.

So Palace are punished for not anticipating a first trophy win in their history from months out, while Lyon’s own deadlines for compliance appear elastic. A cynic would suggest that, as this will be Lyon’s 38th season in Uefa competition, compared with Palace’s first, with the next game Lyon’s 254th, a degree of favouritism may be in play.

Then there is agitation from Nottingham Forest, who seek promotion from the Conference League to the Europa League in Palace’s place, and whose owner, Evangelos Marinakis, is also a seasoned European campaigner and knows how to play the blind-trust game rather well to get around multi-ownership issues. That is why Forest welcomed several new directors before the March 1 deadline, and bade them farewell in June, once they could not be in the same competition as Marinakis’s other club, Olympiacos.

So it’s a racket and those on the inside know how to work the system, while those outside watch, astonished by the audacity of it all. The latest suggestion is that Palace may take legal action over the delay in Uefa’s ruling on Lyon, although their own plea for Uefa to set aside its March 1 deadline may count against that. And if you think it all sounds as if they make it up as they go along, according to who is the richest, the most powerful and most politically astute, you may know much more than you think.

 

[mtp1958]

if we are in conference , win it and when they try to give us the trophy all the players stand with the palace fans , see how the gutless wonders get round that

 

[Jason Smith]

If the MCO cut off date (01/03/25) is so relevant in keeping Palace out of the Europa League then surely it equally applies to Lyon. Both teams should be chucked out or allowed in. Lyon’s problem with the French FA is a separate matter. Wigan played in Europe after winning the FA Cup and being relegated.

I suspect Uefa have dug themselves into a big hole by not kicking Palace out when Parish and Textor visited. They led them to believe that by taking relevant action all would be OK irrespective of the 1st March deadline. To go back three weeks later and use the deadline as the reason would not look good especially in court.

Lyon get in because they finished higher than Palace.

Brøndby retain their place in the Conference because they also finished higher.

Question: what if they both finish level?

 

[PatrickA]

After reading this in today's Times by the respected Martin Samuel explaining the utter shenanigans at UEFA I feel we are for it:

Watch out, Palace, you may get stitched up good and proper​

In 2005 Uefa was faced with a dilemma. Liverpool had won the Champions League, but finished outside the Premier League qualification places for the following season’s tournament. No problem, you may think, they simply return as holders. Except nobody at Uefa had made provision for that. It had never occurred to anyone within the organisation that a team capable of becoming champions of Europe would not also qualify domestically.

So they turned to the FA for help. English football could remedy this, by taking out the fourth-placed qualifiers and giving the berth to Liverpool. The fourth-placed team that season was Everton. Brian Barwick was chairman of the FA at the time and a known Liverpool fan.

He approached the problem from two directions. The first was through an innate sense of fair play. That season’s domestic competition had begun with the understanding that the top four qualified for the Champions League. Everton had done that, fair and square. It was not right to then tell them that, no, their achievement had been overwritten by a rule not even in place. His second motivation — though never stated — was that he probably liked having a house with windows and a company Jag that wasn’t on fire, and both of those preferences were best served by not removing Everton and giving their spot to his team, Liverpool.

So Barwick informed Uefa it was not the FA’s job to make its rulebook work and suggested it found a way of resolving its own problem. Which Uefa duly did. It put Liverpool in at the first qualifying stage and amended the rules so that, in future, if the holders did not qualify automatically, they took the place of the last through the door — which is what happened when Chelsea usurped Tottenham Hotspur in 2012-13.

Liverpool have benefited in the past from flexible Uefa rules regarding Champions League qualification
ETSUO HARA/GETTY IMAGES
Meaning when it really matters, Uefa tiptoes around even its most keenly held principles, all of which makes one think Crystal Palace are about to get stitched up good and proper. Uefa seems to be doing all it can to give Lyon time to fight their demotion to France’s Ligue 2 over the financial chaos that has engulfed the club. If they are reinstated, that puts them back in the Europa League and may bounce Palace out, because John Textor still had an interest in both clubs when Uefa’s multi-ownership deadline for this season’s competition passed on March 1.

So Palace are punished for not anticipating a first trophy win in their history from months out, while Lyon’s own deadlines for compliance appear elastic. A cynic would suggest that, as this will be Lyon’s 38th season in Uefa competition, compared with Palace’s first, with the next game Lyon’s 254th, a degree of favouritism may be in play.

Then there is agitation from Nottingham Forest, who seek promotion from the Conference League to the Europa League in Palace’s place, and whose owner, Evangelos Marinakis, is also a seasoned European campaigner and knows how to play the blind-trust game rather well to get around multi-ownership issues. That is why Forest welcomed several new directors before the March 1 deadline, and bade them farewell in June, once they could not be in the same competition as Marinakis’s other club, Olympiacos.

So it’s a racket and those on the inside know how to work the system, while those outside watch, astonished by the audacity of it all. The latest suggestion is that Palace may take legal action over the delay in Uefa’s ruling on Lyon, although their own plea for Uefa to set aside its March 1 deadline may count against that. And if you think it all sounds as if they make it up as they go along, according to who is the richest, the most powerful and most politically astute, you may know much more than you think.

Good summary with a conclusion that I think many of us have reached.
Not even taking the knee to them is likely to help.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Lyon get in because they finished higher than Palace.

Brøndby retain their place in the Conference because they also finished higher.

Question: what if they both finish level?

All due, etc, to Brondby but finishing third of 12 teams in the Danish league doesn't seem that stunning an achievement.

 

[doombear]

Lyon get in because they finished higher than Palace.

Brøndby retain their place in the Conference because they also finished higher.

Question: what if they both finish level?

More to the point, what account, if any, is taken of how many clubs are in each league?

 

[est1905]

If we get kicked out then I hope we withdraw from the conference league, it's a pointless tinpot competition.

While I agree with you UEFA may see that as an act of defiance and exclude us again in future on the grounds that we have disrespected one of their competitions.
Better to go the other way. Go all out to win it. That'll piss them off even more!