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Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?
- Topic starter Guntrisoft
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Not really - as I said before, if he votes with the 2 other owners then that is simply democracy; if he votes with the 1 other owner to make it equal votes, then it is Steve Parish who has the casting vote, so he has no control or influence.
Ex Dubai Eagle
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I would like to understand why UEFA changed the compliance deadline from Jun 1st to March 1st - they must have known that there was always going to be a possibility that a club could either unexpectedly win a cup or make a late burst in their league position to elevate themselves into European places.
Forest Hillbilly
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The Brighton i360 tower will operate to a temporary celing of 2metres above ground level until the UEFA decision. This is to prevent fatalities from jumping BHA suppoters, should the decision go Palace's way.
Parish has as much say as the other owners, he's just chairman aswell as owner, but he's not doing that out of the kindness or his own heart, he's an employee aswell as owner and will be paid a decent wage to run the club. If this new owner along with the other 2 decide for whatever reason they're not happy with the direction the club is going and want to change, there's really not much parish can do about it.
Let's look at it from uefas point of view, yes it's open to interpretation and there's loopholes in place but the rules state, no multi club ownership. So we qualify, uefa say, great news, crystal palace have qualified but there's a slight issue, textor is a majority owner at lyon and owns 40% of palace with a 25% share of vote, we need to look into this. Hello parish, what's exactly going on, oh dont worry about him, his only got 25%, we just ignore him. They're not gonna say that's fine, obviously they're going to open their own investigation.
You seem to have missed the key point, Parish has the casting vote, if its 2-2 in voting from owners not Textor. Therefore Textor has no controlling influence over Palace, thats why he has been moaning about us not joining his multi club set up and been trying to sell for ages. If he had any controlling influence, we would be part of his multi club.
So today is the day that the mighty Palace COULD find out IF they are allowed to play in Europe.
My prediction is UEFA will come out with something as useless as their multi-club rules and say "We can confirm Crystal Palace can take part in the Europa League IF Lyon fail in their appeal against relegation to Ligue 2. Check back in four weeks. We wish CPFC the best of luck with their pre season planning."
My prediction is UEFA will come out with something as useless as their multi-club rules and say "We can confirm Crystal Palace can take part in the Europa League IF Lyon fail in their appeal against relegation to Ligue 2. Check back in four weeks. We wish CPFC the best of luck with their pre season planning."
Jim_Cannon
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Parish has the casting vote and has the decisive influence at Palace
Jim_Cannon
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Apparently to give themselves more time to deal with any multi club issues. Hasn’t helped at all. I get the need for the rule and really poorly thought out
Agreed. It's a ridiculous ruling which will need to be changed sooner or later. You are asking an owner to turn over control of their business for something that might never happen.
The whole blind trust is a nonsense anyway. The Forest guy just appointed his mate who of course never spoke to the owner or took instructions, yeah right.
The best solution would be to ban multi club ownership e.g. you can only have shares in one club. The problem with that is that it is a restraint on free trade and likely to be illegal.
For me the bigger issue is the unofficial alliances. I think it was Chelsea and Everton? who were selling each other youth players at inflated prices. Lots of the American owners know each other from their American franchises and appear to co-operate with each over over certain issues. Quite how you regulate this I haven't a clue.
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As I understand it, Parish has the deciding vote on hung decisions which means any 50/50 votes are effectively under his control. This further waters down Textors influence in the boardroom. He would have needed Harris, Blitzer and his own vote to override Steve in any boardroom argument and that would be unlikely to happen.
Gary St.Andrews
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They have never actually won anything though and it wasn’t that long ago they were sharing Gillingham’s ground. Tony Bloome was the architect in brokering the deal with American Express to have the Amex built which has most probably been the best thing they have done thus far. All aided by Brighton and Hove City Council.
Look who Palace have to deal with the s*** house known as Croydon Council, possibly the worst corrupt scum bags in the country….
taylors lovechild
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Since the beginning, I've felt like our case is too complicated for UEFA to throw us out, as their own rules seem too open to interpretation to stand up in court. If they were to lose in court, I imagine the bill would be pretty high (a minimum of £20 million in lost earnings). My gut feeling is that we'll be let in and their legal team will get to work on a further tightening of the rules.
We know that but do people expect uefa not to investigate that for themselves ?
Eaglecoops
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Perhaps not because you just stated that 25% is significant as opposed to decisive and I pointed out that it was also effectively less than 25% because of Parish holding the deciding vote.
At the end of the day if you walked into the Lyon and Palace boardrooms and said, ‘who runs the show here?’, at Lyon it would clearly be Textor, whereas at Palace it would clearly not be Textor.
We are talking about the ability to adversely affect the result of a match because of a position of control at a club. At Lyon, Textor could do it. At Palace he could not unless he convinced two out of Parish, Harris and Blitzer to do it and if that were the situation then they’d all be corrupt and no rules could stop it.
I just don’t see how, in reality, Textor could singularly exert a game changing influence on Palace and surely that is all that UEFA are interested in.
NEILLO
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I’ve seen no evidence of people questioning UEFA’s right to investigate.
From the outside looking in you could conclude that Palace were part of a multi club ownership and / or Textor wielded a significant level of interest in the workings of the club.
Now we, and seemingly the whole football world , apart from UEFA know that not to be the case. Hence their investigation. Which is reasonable.
What is certainly unreasonable is the way they implement their rule. Enabling that Blind Trust solution is merely ‘ looking the other way ‘ while multi club ownership continues as business as usual. And the deadline of March 1st for notifying UEFA of the intent to go down that route is totally unworkable for any clubs qualifying via winning cup finals that are usually played well after that date.
NEILLO
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I think the perfect example of where the decision making is made at Palace was the one I referred to yesterday.
When Premier League clubs voted on the exchange of players between clubs that were part of a multi club portfolio, Parish voted against it. Textor claimed he knew nothing about the vote and would have voted FOR it.
Hopefully that will be another piece of evidence that UEFA can consider
Exciting isn't it , I have my bottle of champagne ready , I have my lucky underware on which the wife said she will find them one day wash them ,
I can see the scene when Palace won the fa cup switch to UEFA the committee , say oh crap we have to make a decision with our own crap ruling , that no one understands , cue dramatic eastend music ,
oh to those who have only just started supporting the Mighty Palace , welcome to our last 60years
I can see the scene when Palace won the fa cup switch to UEFA the committee , say oh crap we have to make a decision with our own crap ruling , that no one understands , cue dramatic eastend music ,
oh to those who have only just started supporting the Mighty Palace , welcome to our last 60years