PalazioVecchio
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i cannot advise if you are even allowed to say that anymore ? beware of 2 tier Dalek Kier and his rainbow laser gun.
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i cannot advise if you are even allowed to say that anymore ? beware of 2 tier Dalek Kier and his rainbow laser gun.
I can honestly say I don't and have never felt 'proud' to be white.
I just am white.
I don't understand where pride comes into it, myself.
PalazioVecchio
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i don't believe in Pride for any born characteristics........eye colour, left or right-handed, straight or gay, skin colour....
however.....yes Pride for achievements or good behaviours.
if you won an Olympic medal
always worked, never sponged
earned the love & trust of those who matter to you.
etc......
Rudi Hedman
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I think it’s more of pride of what you are than what you’re not, which is relevant when referring to skin colour. You can also be proud of where you’re from, which is also a characteristic and something you really had little say in also.
Stirlingsays
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I get what you are saying but I can't say I've ever been convinced by this particular argument.....it indirectly touches on the free will debate
Here's why, it's my position that all you have is your actual born characteristics.....That, along with the luck or misfortune of birth circumstance, whom you were born to and where.
When people talk about what they have done in life, that's all related to your personality which itself is a born characteristic or the luck of the family culture and means you were raised with. When you think about it your behaviour itself is inherited, if not from your direct parents then from somewhere down your ancestral line.
I certainly have pride in particular genetics I was born with purely because it's great to have some good genetics, however I'm very aware that I was gifted them and that are plenty of people with better genetics....it's luck, but so what. It means nothing if you do nothing with it.
What I'm saying is that there is nothing that is particularly special about the individual, we are born from a blueprint and to paraphrase Lennon, there are no new ideas....just spins on old ones.
If someone is born with crap genetics or great genetics the realisation that it's the luck of the draw along with the family you were born into goes a long way to keeping someone humble or sheltering them from self blame.....not because it's a tactic to keep them mentally adjusted or an excuse for failure but just because that's the truth.
Some people could comment that this is nihilism from me and I think they would be correct. However, my issue with nihilism has never been that it isn't true but that it's used as an excuse for people not to put in the effort and risk of fulfilling the talents that they inherited.
And there's few things philosophically worse than seeing a talent wasted........it's like a good looking lesbian.
I know a number of old gay men who no longer participate in or are interested in Gay pride.
I can understand why it started, a group of people who up until the sixties had to hide their nature and faced prosecution, blackmail and physical assaults . Pride was a way for that the group to tell the world we are here and we are not going away (safety in numbers).
However Pride has been hijacked by all sorts of odd bods these days (so I have been told) and so some gays feel it has served it's purpose.
As for me I feel pride in my achievements but I certainly don't feel "white pride". I'm not sure what it means.
I can understand why it started, a group of people who up until the sixties had to hide their nature and faced prosecution, blackmail and physical assaults . Pride was a way for that the group to tell the world we are here and we are not going away (safety in numbers).
However Pride has been hijacked by all sorts of odd bods these days (so I have been told) and so some gays feel it has served it's purpose.
As for me I feel pride in my achievements but I certainly don't feel "white pride". I'm not sure what it means.