Of-Communists

[PalazioVecchio]

I’m proud to be white

i cannot advise if you are even allowed to say that anymore ? beware of 2 tier Dalek Kier and his rainbow laser gun.

 

[Glazier#1]

It’s not my fault I’m white.
One of natures great things is your parents determine your colour.
I’m proud to be white as blacks are proud to be black. It’s inside with attitude, aptitude and effort. If you have none then get f@@@@@d and leave me alone.
😂

I can honestly say I don't and have never felt 'proud' to be white.

I just am white.

I don't understand where pride comes into it, myself.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

I can honestly say I don't and have never felt 'proud' to be white.
I don't understand where pride comes into it, myself.

i don't believe in Pride for any born characteristics........eye colour, left or right-handed, straight or gay, skin colour....

however.....yes Pride for achievements or good behaviours.
if you won an Olympic medal

always worked, never sponged

earned the love & trust of those who matter to you.

etc......

 

[Rudi Hedman]

i don't believe in Pride for any born characteristics........eye colour, left or right-handed, straight or gay, skin colour....

however.....yes Pride for achievements or good behaviours.
if you won an Olympic medal

always worked, never sponged

earned the love & trust of those who matter to you.

etc......

I think it’s more of pride of what you are than what you’re not, which is relevant when referring to skin colour. You can also be proud of where you’re from, which is also a characteristic and something you really had little say in also.

 

[Stirlingsays]

i don't believe in Pride for any born characteristics........eye colour, left or right-handed, straight or gay, skin colour....

however.....yes Pride for achievements or good behaviours.
if you won an Olympic medal

always worked, never sponged

earned the love & trust of those who matter to you.

etc......

I get what you are saying but I can't say I've ever been convinced by this particular argument.....it indirectly touches on the free will debate

Here's why, it's my position that all you have is your actual born characteristics.....That, along with the luck or misfortune of birth circumstance, whom you were born to and where.

When people talk about what they have done in life, that's all related to your personality which itself is a born characteristic or the luck of the family culture and means you were raised with. When you think about it your behaviour itself is inherited, if not from your direct parents then from somewhere down your ancestral line.

I certainly have pride in particular genetics I was born with purely because it's great to have some good genetics, however I'm very aware that I was gifted them and that there are plenty of people with better genetics....it's luck, but so what. It means nothing if you do nothing with it.

What I'm saying is that there is nothing that is particularly special about the individual, we are born from a blueprint and to paraphrase Lennon, there are no new ideas....just spins on old ones.

If someone is born with crap genetics or great genetics the realisation that it's the luck of the draw along with the family you were born into goes a long way to keeping someone humble or sheltering them from self blame.....not because it's a tactic to keep them mentally adjusted or an excuse for failure but just because that's the truth.

Some people could comment that this is nihilism from me and I think they would be correct. However, my issue with nihilism has never been that it isn't true but that it's used as an excuse for people not to put in the effort and risk of fulfilling the talents that they inherited.

And there's few things philosophically worse than seeing a talent wasted........it's like a good looking lesbian.

 

[Badger11]

I know a number of old gay men who no longer participate in or are interested in Gay pride.

I can understand why it started, a group of people who up until the sixties had to hide their nature and faced prosecution, blackmail and physical assaults . Pride was a way for that the group to tell the world we are here and we are not going away (safety in numbers).

However Pride has been hijacked by all sorts of odd bods these days (so I have been told) and so some gays feel it has served it's purpose.

As for me I feel pride in my achievements but I certainly don't feel "white pride". I'm not sure what it means.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Mark Dolan sacked.

He was a bit of turncoat over Fox and Wotton but still...

The establishment with their Of-communist media institution are destroyed the only possibility of right wing people actually being represented in broadcast media.

'Build your own' they said.....and then when you do...they show their real face and suppress and destroy it.

I'm sorry, but don't complain about people going further to the right when you do this......You literally create what you finger point at.

 

[georgenorman]

I get what you are saying but I can't say I've ever been convinced by this particular argument.....it indirectly touches on the free will debate

Here's why, it's my position that all you have is your actual born characteristics.....That, along with the luck or misfortune of birth circumstance, whom you were born to and where.

When people talk about what they have done in life, that's all related to your personality which itself is a born characteristic or the luck of the family culture and means you were raised with. When you think about it your behaviour itself is inherited, if not from your direct parents then from somewhere down your ancestral line.

I certainly have pride in particular genetics I was born with purely because it's great to have some good genetics, however I'm very aware that I was gifted them and that are plenty of people with better genetics....it's luck, but so what. It means nothing if you do nothing with it.

What I'm saying is that there is nothing that is particularly special about the individual, we are born from a blueprint and to paraphrase Lennon, there are no new ideas....just spins on old ones.

If someone is born with crap genetics or great genetics the realisation that it's the luck of the draw along with the family you were born into goes a long way to keeping someone humble or sheltering them from self blame.....not because it's a tactic to keep them mentally adjusted or an excuse for failure but just because that's the truth.

Some people could comment that this is nihilism from me and I think they would be correct. However, my issue with nihilism has never been that it isn't true but that it's used as an excuse for people not to put in the effort and risk of fulfilling the talents that they inherited.

And there's few things philosophically worse than seeing a talent wasted........it's like a good looking lesbian.

Is our behaviour merely a product of our genetics and upbringing - makes us little more than robots?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Is our behaviour merely a product of our genetics and upbringing - makes us little more than robots?

A robot has no cultural input of course, but otherwise....yes, we are our genetics + experiences.

 

[georgenorman]

A robot has no cultural input of course, but otherwise....yes, we are our genetics + experiences.

That's a bleak outlook.

 

[Stirlingsays]

That's a bleak outlook.

I think it's valid to view it as that but personally I just see it as reality.

Life is composed of both positives and negatives, two sides of life's coin. Some get a better shake of it than others.

The way I see it is while you're here, slip the punches and just try to make the best of it.

 

[georgenorman]

I think it's valid to view it as that but personally I just see it as reality.

Life is composed of both positives and negatives, two sides of life's coin. Some get a better shake of it than others.

The way I see it is while you're here, slip the punches and just try to make the best of it.

Your view seems to imply that you can't really try to make the best of it because it is all out of your control.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Your view seems to imply that you can't really try to make the best of it because it is all out of your control.

Your genetics decide your potential....but that's all it is....for example, unless you have the genetic potential you can't effort yourself into Einstein's level of math's ability. You can't effort your way into being a Pele at football.....You can't effort your way into being as good a song-writer as McCartney.

However, you can effort your way into being the best you can be at any of those.

It's also true that many professions and activities don't require masses of talent to get somewhere....but others do.....Some people will always be naturals and some won't.

And maybe, if you find what you are good at....you can reach the top level at what that something is.

 

[georgenorman]

Your genetics decide your potential....but that's all it is....for example, unless you have the genetic potential you can't effort yourself into Einstein's level of math's ability. You can't effort your way into being a Pele at football.....You can't effort your way into being as good a song-writer as McCartney.

However, you can effort your way into being the best you can be at any of those.

It's also true that many professions and activities don't require masses of talent to get somewhere....but others do.....Some people will always be naturals and some won't.

And maybe, if you find what you are good at....you can reach the top level at what that something is.

What causes the effort you talk about? I don't think it would be too difficult to write songs similar to some McCartney numbers.

 

[Stirlingsays]

What causes the effort you talk about? I don't think it would be too difficult to write songs similar to some McCartney numbers.

Causes the effort? A person's desire to do something.

Some McCartney numbers....that isn't the point I'm making. Could you write a song as universally successful as 'Yesterday' or 'Band on the Run'?

 

[georgenorman]

Causes the effort? A person's desire to do something.

Some McCartney numbers....that isn't the point I'm making. Could you write a song as universally successful as 'Yesterday' or 'Band on the Run'?

Yes, with enough practice. You say we are just a product of our genetics and environment, how does that cause our will? What caused Hitler's will?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Yes, with enough practice. You say we are just a product of our genetics and environment, how does that cause our will? What caused Hitler's will?

Largely genetics.....Will, resolve, determination, stubbornness....whatever we call it, it is largely inherited.

So you think if you practiced song-writing enough you could write standards that McCartney did?
So what you're saying is that McCartney practiced harder than his rivals and that's what made him better?

Einstein was just working harder than other students? (even though his teachers certainly didn't think so).

 

[georgenorman]

Largely genetics.....Will, resolve, determination, stubbornness....whatever we call it, it is largely inherited.

So you think if you practiced song-writing enough you could write standards that McCartney did?
So what you're saying is that McCartney practiced harder than his rivals and that's what made him better?

Einstein was just working harder than other students? (even though his teachers certainly didn't think so).

More or less, yes. I just don't accept that everything we do is the product of some cause, that just makes us robots without any free will.

 

[Stirlingsays]

More or less, yes. I just don't accept that everything we do is the product of some cause, that just makes us robots without any free will.

I get not liking the idea that there isn't free will.

It's only my viewpoint anyway. Please don't think I'm telling you what to think. This is just cud chewing.

I don't think our outcomes are set.....McCartney required the opportunity and the circumstances to develop his potential. There would have been many McCartneys down the ages who never had access to instruments, maybe they became farmers or whatever was available to them.

Most people would have situations like that, where a different fork in the road could have set them off to deveoping their potentials in different areas. Some of them might have been highly talented in these areas and never known it.

But personally I just don't think that no matter how hard I practiced I could never sing as well as Elvis.

 

[georgenorman]

I get not liking the idea that there isn't free will.

It's only my viewpoint anyway. Please don't think I'm telling you what to think. This is just cud chewing.

I don't think our outcomes are set.....McCartney required the opportunity and the circumstances to develop his potential. There would have been many McCartneys down the ages who never had access to instruments, maybe they became farmers or whatever was available to them.

Most people would have situations like that, where a different fork in the road could have set them off to deveoping their potentials in different areas. Some of them might have been highly talented in these areas and never known it.

But personally I just don't think that no matter how hard I practiced I could never sing as well as Elvis.

You ain't nothin' but a hound dog (or am I confusing you with another poster?)