Nottingham Forest vs. Crystal Palace match thread

[Palace Old Geezer]

My only comment after last night, and I apologise if someone else has written this, is thank Gawd he started Hughes. He looks to be. the only one who wants to chase the ball and get stuck in.

Well, another comment while I'm at it - Kamada needs to be benched until he can prove he knows what he's doing. Looked lost again last night.

 

[NEILLO]

All of our defeats this prior to last night had been close affairs in which you could make a case of us deserving a bit more than we got.

I didn't think that was the case last night. We were restricted to long shots, admittedly some good ones, but you can't rely on those alone to score goals. The back three are not a unit made in heaven and mistakes at this level will usually be punished. Chalobahs headed clearance was schoolboy stuff and of course Henderson should have done better with the resulting shot.

Glasner is right when he says it has now becoming a confidence issue with the players. But I contend that it's their lack of confidence in his tactics and team selections that are having the most negative impact. If I was in the squad and was seeing Kamadas performances I would be wondering just what I need to do to get selected ahead of him.

Forest are a decent side and I didn't expect us to beat them, but I did think a hard earned point was possible. But that simply wasn't good enough.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

But for Henderson's error we would have got a point at an intimidating ground against an uncompromising team.

Back three look like they know each other finally.

Noticeable that other than Schlupp's at the end all our chances were from well outside the box....much less chance of scoring!

Wing backs have no support most of the time and end up checking and turning. Neither has much confidence any more or any belief that one of the forward players will get there if they go for the byline.

Whole team and managers confidence is shot. We really need a bit of luck to build up our confidence and then perhaps we will be shooting from better positions.

New manager would probably result in a short lived bounce. I would rather stick with Glasner and sort out what we have got ....which is some pretty good premiership players who aren't playing to win.

Agree with you Mabbs. If we ditch OG the next manager will have to deal with the same players (minus Guehi in all probability) so the change(s) have to be tactical. Can Glasner make these changes? You'd hope any competent manager could.
It's concerning that many on here have pointed out flaws in the current set up that the manager is either ignoring or, very unlikely, is somehow unaware of.
As regards the players I'd suggest they are, man for man, about as good as most in the bottom half of the table so why do other teams look stronger/faster/more determined, etc? Is it training? Attitude? Probably a bit of both and they are up to the management team to sort out.
My feeling is blaming the loss of Olise is a bit of a cop out. Yes he's a wonderful player and is probably irreplaceable but we can't blame bad form on his leaving for ever.

 

[Willo]

All of our defeats this prior to last night had been close affairs in which you could make a case of us deserving a bit more than we got.

I didn't think that was the case last night. We were restricted to long shots, admittedly some good ones, but you can't rely on those alone to score goals. The back three are not a unit made in heaven and mistakes at this level will usually be punished. Chalobahs headed clearance was schoolboy stuff and of course Henderson should have done better with the resulting shot.

Glasner is right when he says it has now becoming a confidence issue with the players. But I contend that it's their lack of confidence in his tactics and team selections that are having the most negative impact. If I was in the squad and was seeing Kamadas performances I would be wondering just what I need to do to get selected ahead of him.

Forest are a decent side and I didn't expect us to beat them, but I did think a hard earned point was possible. But that simply wasn't good enough.

I never expected us to emerge with any points, in actual fact I predicted that Nottm Forest would gain the points and that Chris Wood would net the winner.A prediction of mine which turns out to be reality is as 'Rare as hen's teeth' !

Glasner talks about his squad lacking confidence.I have to be honest and assert that my confidence in the manager is waning, but hopefully he will revive our fortunes and my faith in him will return.

 

[Dogburger]

There was an odd bit where Kamada seem to be looking at the bench to see who should take a free kick, micro management?

That was a mental weakness we can do without . Of course players need time to settle in new countries but he has played for Glasner before ,he should know whats required and whether or not he is allowed to take a free kick .

 

[palace chick]

I’ve watched all our 10 unbalanced performances this season which includes two rather poor wins in the cup. Glasner has had the chance in every match including last night to sort out the formation/unbalanced team and hasn’t done so. I have no confidence he can do it going forward into the next 3 matches before the break. As far as I’m concerned, he needs to go now before we have an even larger hill to climb to get out of trouble :-(

 

[JRW2]

He looked as though he needed to attend 'Weight Watchers'.

😊 Thanks Willo - at last a post that made me laugh.

 

[DenTyler]

I’ve had a day and fairly long flight to think about our current predicament.

For me it is down to tactics. OG is playing a system we just don’t have the players for.

Last night screamed out after 10 minutes that Eddie was getting nothing out of the Forest central pairing, JPM would have given them something to think about.

I would suggest and I really hope OG finally see’s this system is not working and change to a back four and rest Munoz. He is a pal shadow of the player last year.

4 at the back, go solid in the middle with hughes, lerma and Sarr (then install CH and Wharton when they return but maintain hughes who is the only one who looks up to the fight) Eze in behind a front 2 of JPM and Eddie.

This has to be the way forward. You know though that he is going to keep playing his way and Kamada. I really worry about this current pickle we are in.

 

[NMPalace]

I’ve had a day and fairly long flight to think about our current predicament.

For me it is down to tactics. OG is playing a system we just don’t have the players for.

Last night screamed out after 10 minutes that Eddie was getting nothing out of the Forest central pairing, JPM would have given them something to think about.

I would suggest and I really hope OG finally see’s this system is not working and change to a back four and rest Munoz. He is a pal shadow of the player last year.

4 at the back, go solid in the middle with hughes, lerma and Sarr (then install CH and Wharton when they return but maintain hughes who is the only one who looks up to the fight) Eze in behind a front 2 of JPM and Eddie.

This has to be the way forward. You know though that he is going to keep playing his way and Kamada. I really worry about this current pickle we are in.

to be fair to OG i thought the same last season and then suddenly it came good. Looking back on that run, 2 of the big factors were Wharton getting up to speed with the Prem and improving his fitness to last 90 minutes (when he arrived he was spent after 60 min) and Olise's return to fitness. This then impacted Eze and JP who are clearly confidence players. You could argue we have 'lost' all 4 at the moment.

I think 3 of the things a manager has to do is pick a system that best suits his players, adapt to situations and when players move on/come in and during games and finally give players the support/motivation to go out and perform (some need a strong talking to, others need an arm around them - it is for the manager to work out what makes each person tick).

OG is clearly a good manager, you don't get a team into the Champ League or win a major European trophy if you are not.

However, he does seem amazingly inflexible in terms of formation, the lack of any attacking 'style' to our play, his persistence with Kamada, and his lack of subs and this is now getting to be a big concern.

Yes Olise is a big loss, but look at Fulham with Mitrovic. He scored all their goals and was a focal point to the way they played. They adapted last season. You could say similar for Palhinha this season too.

Hopefully we will turn a corner but i too am worried

 

[DenTyler]

Another concern I have, we look unfit and slow.

One of things that OG did so well last season was get everyone’s fitness up to levels needed.
It’s been long enough now for our players to be at full fitness yet this does not seem to be the case.

 

[Palacesince64]

Another concern I have, we look unfit and slow.

One of things that OG did so well last season was get everyone’s fitness up to levels needed.
It’s been long enough now for our players to be at full fitness yet this does not seem to be the case.

Agree. I recall OG saying he was working on their fitness and it would take a few games to get them to where they needed to be for his pressing game. This season there appears to be no pressing. There has to be a reason and it’s hard to believe OH isn’t aware of it. That’s not down to losing Olise or Anderson neither of whom were renowned for putting in a hard shift. Hughes is the only one who looks fit and willing to run into the ground.

 

[Charles]

Maybe Big Sam if this run continues, I doubt Roy would be considered after last time

What makes you thunk he'd consider us after last time?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

What makes you thunk he'd consider us after last time?

A big bag full of money?

 

[RubinsCube]

to be fair to OG i thought the same last season and then suddenly it came good. Looking back on that run, 2 of the big factors were Wharton getting up to speed with the Prem and improving his fitness to last 90 minutes (when he arrived he was spent after 60 min) and Olise's return to fitness. This then impacted Eze and JP who are clearly confidence players. You could argue we have 'lost' all 4 at the moment.

I think 3 of the things a manager has to do is pick a system that best suits his players, adapt to situations and when players move on/come in and during games and finally give players the support/motivation to go out and perform (some need a strong talking to, others need an arm around them - it is for the manager to work out what makes each person tick).

OG is clearly a good manager, you don't get a team into the Champ League or win a major European trophy if you are not.

However, he does seem amazingly inflexible in terms of formation, the lack of any attacking 'style' to our play, his persistence with Kamada, and his lack of subs and this is now getting to be a big concern.

Yes Olise is a big loss, but look at Fulham with Mitrovic. He scored all their goals and was a focal point to the way they played. They adapted last season. You could say similar for Palhinha this season too.

Hopefully we will turn a corner but i too am worried

A thought provoking and interesting comparison. The counter argument to that is losing a number nine means you have fewer "outs" when looking to get through the thirds. So the patterns of play need to evolve.

Arguably that is a harder transition to make than losing a winger but I think when someone as good as Olise goes you cannot simply get someone else in or develop a player from withint the club: you need to build new teams around (hopefully) new great players. That is part of the uphill struggle we are in right now.

 

[ex hibitionist]

A thought provoking and interesting comparison. The counter argument to that is losing a number nine means you have fewer "outs" when looking to get through the thirds. So the patterns of play need to evolve.

Arguably that is a harder transition to make than losing a winger but I think when someone as good as Olise goes you cannot simply get someone else in or develop a player from withint the club: you need to build new teams around (hopefully) new great players. That is part of the uphill struggle we are in right now.

we've been too reliant on great players bcos we just fire fight - Brighton post Potter have a recruitment policy in tune with their style and approach to play, so they can replace their stars almost seemlessly whereas when we lose a Zaha an Olise or a Wharton we're f*cked.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

we've been too reliant on great players bcos we just fire fight - Brighton post Potter have a recruitment policy in tune with their style and approach to play, so they can replace their stars almost seemlessly whereas when we lose a Zaha an Olise or a Wharton we're f*cked.

Brighton have the algorithm system for identifying new signings because of Tony Blooms business model. Other clubs can’t easily replicate that because they don’t have the know how, expertise or experience.

 

[ASCPFC]

Brighton have the algorithm system for identifying new signings because of Tony Blooms business model. Other clubs can’t easily replicate that because they don’t have the know how, expertise or experience.

Surely most of ours have been pretty obvious. Whenever we try to be clever about it - it doesn't work out. I wanted Freedman to go to Man U. The only players that have worked for us are experienced Premier League players on frees or low fees, and the best young Championship players. Not one of the young players we bought from England, Scotland, Ireland or anywhere have worked out. Except perhaps O'Brien - which wasn't for us either.

 

[dreamwaverider]

All of our defeats this prior to last night had been close affairs in which you could make a case of us deserving a bit more than we got.

I didn't think that was the case last night. We were restricted to long shots, admittedly some good ones, but you can't rely on those alone to score goals. The back three are not a unit made in heaven and mistakes at this level will usually be punished. Chalobahs headed clearance was schoolboy stuff and of course Henderson should have done better with the resulting shot.

Glasner is right when he says it has now becoming a confidence issue with the players. But I contend that it's their lack of confidence in his tactics and team selections that are having the most negative impact. If I was in the squad and was seeing Kamadas performances I would be wondering just what I need to do to get selected ahead of him.

Forest are a decent side and I didn't expect us to beat them, but I did think a hard earned point was possible. But that simply wasn't good enough.

Maybe we will start a new trend! But if we are going to do that, we need to be shooting from range far more often........and have someone following up, and getting the shots on target, not just over the bar.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Maybe we will start a new trend! But if we are going to do that, we need to be shooting from range far more often........and have someone following up, and getting the shots on target, not just over the bar.

Chasing down parried shots could be Nketiah's long suit. And with the goalkeeper on the ground he might be able to miss him.