Man City found guilty

Got to be better than a free for all though?
A free for all works in our lives. Although hmg don’t like it as some have more than others. Why shouldn’t football be a free for all. The jeopardy is with the investors. Yes there is collateral with employees but that happens now even with PSR and all the rules. If a club goes down the staff will be thinned. It’s the nature of the sport and all the money in it. The returns for investors cannot be more for all of them so eventually it reduces when they start losing dough. Natural selection will happen given time .
 
A free for all works in our lives. Although hmg don’t like it as some have more than others. Why shouldn’t football be a free for all. The jeopardy is with the investors. Yes there is collateral with employees but that happens now even with PSR and all the rules. If a club goes down the staff will be thinned. It’s the nature of the sport and all the money in it. The returns for investors cannot be more for all of them so eventually it reduces when they start losing dough. Natural selection will happen given time .
You must be far more trusting than me
 
Next weekend when the Prem starts again, everyone will look at the league table. And to everyone apart from City fans there will be 19 teams in it and Arsenal will be top. And then it really kicks off……
 
For some time now there seems to have been two layers of concern operating simultaneously.

The first is the fact that Sheikh Mansour / Abu Dhabi United Group own City. The second is the cheating scandal.

The government, premier league, media, and football supporters generally (particularly City fans) overlooked the first point far too readily. Even if you leave aside the stuff in the Sudan, or don't care about human rights, or think somehow the Sheikh has a different hat on when owning City to the one he wears as unchallengeable absolute ruler at home, you still have to ask why he's here. What's in it for him? What does he want?

Perhaps it's simply a matter of investing in an asset so that it grows in value. I'm sure City was worth a lot more up until last month than when they bought it. I'm sure Wrexham is worth more than when the film stars bought it. The American owners of Birmingham City are investigating hugely, and I doubt it's charitable.

Still, though, has the UAE really improved the value of the club by the same sum that they've sunk into it, even before the cheating is factored in? Is that even possible? As I understand it we are talking about a few billion when you consider the facilities and urban regeneration projects. Surely they can't get that back if they sell the club? Who could they even sell it to?

So, if not a pure financial investment then what do they want? Well, how about the kind of clout that sees the current prime minister, no less, instinctively go into bat for you when you get banged to rights for long term systemic cheating, complete abuse of power and wealth to frustrate the legal process, and show a despicable brass neck about it? Yeah, maybe that.

What seems to be happening is that the shameful and sustained overlooking of the UAE ownership of City, undertaken in the hope that the sportswash will work, that football can keep the masses willfully ignorant (it very much can) is now being brought back into the spotlight precisely because they've cheated at the sport, the only bit the masses care about.

The thing that should have been top of the agenda all along but which football tried to bury is now rising to the surface precisely because of football, and whether football likes it or not.
 
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When I was watching the WSL today I did wonder if the cheat’s women’s team’s funding will be investigated. Surely they will have benefited from the wealth that the club’s owners were fraudulently pumping into the club.
 
Here's a scenario: All that's gone on is just a cunning elaborate plan. It's all been fixed so City will be expelled from English football because the Prem and EFL won't have them. Their owners will pay the hefty fine from their pocket change and they'll head to Saudi to form the Super League that the big European clubs wanted a couple of years back.Just a theory🤔😂
 
Here's a scenario: All that's gone on is just a cunning elaborate plan. It's all been fixed so City will be expelled from English football because the Prem and EFL won't have them. Their owners will pay the hefty fine from their pocket change and they'll head to Saudi to form the Super League that the big European clubs wanted a couple of years back.Just a theory🤔😂
Saudi have no money. Unpaid wages and LIV.
 
The other elephant in the room is the enquiry only goes as far as 2018. So will there now be another enquiry from 2018 until today as I can't see city would have just stopped cheating in 2018. Can see this going in for years
 
I can't find the poster but I have been thinking about his comments that this could be the end of predatory companies snapping up English football clubs.

The USA are the major investors because the markets in sports are maxed out. You can buy a franchise but you will pay top dollar.

It's why US money became interest in English football as they saw plenty of opportunity for growth, they felt the clubs were undervalued so big profits to be made. Buy a club on borrowed money, splurge on players through debt get some success and then flip the club to some other mug leaving them with all the problems.

Whatever happens in the Man City case it is clear that the opportunity for clubs to do a Blackburn is now dead.

Which begs the question why would a canny investor buy a club especially in the PL when the opportunity for further growth is being restricted.

Our American owners have been trying to sell Palace for several years if you believe the rumours. Maybe they have seen the writing on the wall.

Hot on the heels we now hear that Everton's owners want out fast after only being in charge for 2 years. Chelsea, previous owners didn't hang around long either, So is this a race as current owners look to sell full or partially before the market twigs about the growth problem and football club's value drop?

This isn't the end of football but maybe the end of the predatory owner not interested in a club long term.
 
The other elephant in the room is the enquiry only goes as far as 2018. So will there now be another enquiry from 2018 until today as I can't see city would have just stopped cheating in 2018. Can see this going in for years

there would be but they are refusing to release the books for the epl to investigate.

this is why they need to be thrown out. They have no remorse and are just continuing to (allegedly) carry on cheating!!
 
I can't find the poster but I have been thinking about his comments that this could be the end of predatory companies snapping up English football clubs.

The USA are the major investors because the markets in sports are maxed out. You can buy a franchise but you will pay top dollar.

It's why US money became interest in English football as they saw plenty of opportunity for growth, they felt the clubs were undervalued so big profits to be made. Buy a club on borrowed money, splurge on players through debt get some success and then flip the club to some other mug leaving them with all the problems.

Whatever happens in the Man City case it is clear that the opportunity for clubs to do a Blackburn is now dead.

Which begs the question why would a canny investor buy a club especially in the PL when the opportunity for further growth is being restricted.

Our American owners have been trying to sell Palace for several years if you believe the rumours. Maybe they have seen the writing on the wall.

Hot on the heels we now hear that Everton's owners want out fast after only being in charge for 2 years. Chelsea, previous owners didn't hang around long either, So is this a race as current owners look to sell full or partially before the market twigs about the growth problem and football club's value drop?

This isn't the end of football but maybe the end of the predatory owner not interested in a club long term.
Whilst FFP / PSR / SCR have been around for a number of years (2009 / 2010) its only been in recent seasons (maybe the last 5 / 6) that its really become clear that the authorities are taking them seriously & any commission tasked with investigating breeches actually does have teeth & a willingness to bite - So anyone thinking of buying a football club under the current arrangements will look a lot closer at its annual revenue / stadium size / matchday generated income etc when trying to calculate its current & potential sale value, further down the line- Listening to Charlie Methven the other day & what he was basically saying is that if the FFP / PSR etc was in place when the current owners bought Man City the chances are that they wouldn't have done the deal on that particular club as its growth potential (to achieve what it has done recently) would have been seen as too restrictive - they would have waited until a Man UTD / Liverpool / Arsenal had become available.

Simon J on Talkshite the other day way saying a typical factor for determining a football clubs value in current times was approximately 3.5 times annual turnover - so he used Palace as a "napkin" (back of a fag packet) calculation example, circa £200 million turnover, + say £20 mill for winning the conference league, x 3.5 =£770 million, so Raine group starting at around £900 Million wasn't really fantasy, it was a line in the sand to see who bites.
 
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