Main Stand redevelopment thread

[ASCPFC]

My thoughts have turned to "the Peoples' Stadium". Could it be that Manchester United are thinking that what is good for London (WHU) should also apply in Manchester?

There has to be a reason such as the Olympics.

 

[HeathMan]

There has to be a reason such as the Olympics.

Regeneration of the north of England?
Manchester - City if Culture?
Compensation for HS2 not going to Manchester?

 

[Badger11]

There has to be a reason such as the Olympics.

That was my dig regarding the Regeneration comment.

How many times have we heard that it's not just taxpayers money to fund a stadium / games / event. It's all apart legacy and regeneration, until it isn't.

What legacy did we get from the Olympics? Ask the taxpayers of Birmingham about the legacy from the Commonwealth Games (a bloody great debt).

I have always argued you don't need an event for regeneration. If you can afford to spend a fortune on the Olympics why not direct that money instead into housing.

 

[mileend]

That was my dig regarding the Regeneration comment.

How many times have we heard that it's not just taxpayers money to fund a stadium / games / event. It's all apart legacy and regeneration, until it isn't.

What legacy did we get from the Olympics? Ask the taxpayers of Birmingham about the legacy from the Commonwealth Games (a bloody great debt).

I have always argued you don't need an event for regeneration. If you can afford to spend a fortune on the Olympics why not direct that money instead into housing.

Incredible legacy for the London Olympics. Pick your order.
Beautiful parkland. Great sporting facilities - shame West Ham benefitted so much but the stadium is in regular use - my kids have both competed regularly at the Aquatic Centre, I use the velo park 2 or 3 times a week. Lots of events I'm not interested in at the Copperbox. Hockey and tennis events going on.

10s of thousands of new homes in the East Village - a whole new big town has been created there - and I'm not a fan of the big malls myself but judging how the Westfield Stratford is permanently packed out the consumerists amongst us are well catered for.

More culturally inclined will appreciate the recent opening of the new V&A, also London School of Fashion, Saddlers Wells East, and new buildings for UCL.

It really is amazing and what has happened there. Obviously I appreciate it as I live pretty close. But the main thing, even if you hate all the above, is what a derelict and contaminated wasteland was on much of this site before.

 

[MrRobbo]

My thoughts have turned to "the Peoples' Stadium". Could it be that Manchester United are thinking that what is good for London (WHU) should also apply in Manchester?

Its been part of the rhetoric. And Burnham is so pro North/anti London that he'll push it through.

Apart from the fact that I hate Utd, at least they are part of the inception. WH basically just got given it as an afterthought

 

[Badger11]

Incredible legacy for the London Olympics. Pick your order.
Beautiful parkland. Great sporting facilities - shame West Ham benefitted so much but the stadium is in regular use - my kids have both competed regularly at the Aquatic Centre, I use the velo park 2 or 3 times a week. Lots of events I'm not interested in at the Copperbox. Hockey and tennis events going on.

10s of thousands of new homes in the East Village - a whole new big town has been created there - and I'm not a fan of the big malls myself but judging how the Westfield Stratford is permanently packed out the consumerists amongst us are well catered for.

More culturally inclined will appreciate the recent opening of the new V&A, also London School of Fashion, Saddlers Wells East, and new buildings for UCL.

It really is amazing and what has happened there. Obviously I appreciate it as I live pretty close. But the main thing, even if you hate all the above, is what a derelict and contaminated wasteland was on much of this site before.

A friend was invited to observe the process once we had won the bid. She wrote a (not very interesting) book about the experience and went on to advise the Paris Olympic committee, who ignored her and made all the same mistakes.

In summary most of the legacy stuff that the politicians promised was cut back due to the spiralling costs of the stadia and bid requirements.

I'm glad that your kids are getting something out of it but we didn't need to spend 1bn on giving West Ham a new home, we could have spent that on better things.

 

[mileend]

A friend was invited to observe the process once we had won the bid. She wrote a (not very interesting) book about the experience and went on to advise the Paris Olympic committee, who ignored her and made all the same mistakes.

In summary most of the legacy stuff that the politicians promised was cut back due to the spiralling costs of the stadia and bid requirements.

I'm glad that your kids are getting something out of it but we didn't need to spend 1bn on giving West Ham a new home, we could have spent that on better things.

As described there are many other things apart from West Ham there.

And it wasn't done for West Ham's benefit. It was there for the Olympics and when it was clear that athletics and others couldn't support a stadium Spurs and West Ham were given the opportunity of a gift.

The area is worth tens of billions more than it was.

This is what 'Growth' looks like. You invest. People and businesses come. Wealth, opportunity, jobs, houses are created.

 

[ASCPFC]

Its been part of the rhetoric. And Burnham is so pro North/anti London that he'll push it through.

Apart from the fact that I hate Utd, at least they are part of the inception. WH basically just got given it as an afterthought

I don't think Labour will fund a stadium for Man U. Obviously, I could be wrong. At the most I can see them giving tax breaks and circumvent some planning. Although, the council will likely help - clearly not ours, but theirs will. They will recognise it will be good for the whole area - unlike our bunch of fools.

 

[JHB]

A friend was invited to observe the process once we had won the bid. She wrote a (not very interesting) book about the experience and went on to advise the Paris Olympic committee, who ignored her and made all the same mistakes.

In summary most of the legacy stuff that the politicians promised was cut back due to the spiralling costs of the stadia and bid requirements.

I'm glad that your kids are getting something out of it but we didn't need to spend 1bn on giving West Ham a new home, we could have spent that on better things.

At least in Paris they largely used existing venues like Stade de France. In London it was mad that Wembley was redeveloped and then we built a whole separate stadium for the Olympics. Why not work with the FA and 2012 planning committee to do one national stadium.

 

[silvertop]

At least in Paris they largely used existing venues like Stade de France. In London it was mad that Wembley was redeveloped and then we built a whole separate stadium for the Olympics. Why not work with the FA and 2012 planning committee to do one national stadium.

Because that would not represent regeneration of the east.

And on criticism of the development would you prefer docklands to have remained unchanged?

 

[JHB]

Because that would not represent regeneration of the east.

And on criticism of the development would you prefer docklands to have remained unchanged?

I have no objection to regeneration but as somebody further up the thread has said if regeneration is a good thing why does it need the huge associated costs of the Olympics to do it? If building lots of sports venues is the answer then why didn’t Paris do it? answer because it’s a cost.

I’m pleased to see Stratford regenerated but you could have done the transport links to Stratford the Westfield development and the new park without needing to have the Olympics. The analysis from multiple Olympics is clear. It costs far more than host nations gain.

As for Docklands that’s actually a case of using targeted investment, tax incentives and transport development to the attract private business in which in turn creates further investment. Not really a lot to do with the Olympics

 

[MrRobbo]

Incredible legacy for the London Olympics. Pick your order.
Beautiful parkland. Great sporting facilities - shame West Ham benefitted so much but the stadium is in regular use - my kids have both competed regularly at the Aquatic Centre, I use the velo park 2 or 3 times a week. Lots of events I'm not interested in at the Copperbox. Hockey and tennis events going on.

10s of thousands of new homes in the East Village - a whole new big town has been created there - and I'm not a fan of the big malls myself but judging how the Westfield Stratford is permanently packed out the consumerists amongst us are well catered for.

More culturally inclined will appreciate the recent opening of the new V&A, also London School of Fashion, Saddlers Wells East, and new buildings for UCL.

It really is amazing and what has happened there. Obviously I appreciate it as I live pretty close. But the main thing, even if you hate all the above, is what a derelict and contaminated wasteland was on much of this site before.

Great post.

I took my wife up to watch some England netball at the copper box a couple of weeks back. Hadn't heard about the V&A and Saddlers Wells East etc so it was the first time I'd seen it.

Couple all that with Westfield its hard to deny its impressive. Suspect the legacy team have done a far far better job than in many previous games etc

 

[MrRobbo]

I have no objection to regeneration but as somebody further up the thread has said if regeneration is a good thing why does it need the huge associated costs of the Olympics to do it? If building lots of sports venues is the answer then why didn’t Paris do it? answer because it’s a cost.

I’m pleased to see Stratford regenerated but you could have done the transport links to Stratford the Westfield development and the new park without needing to have the Olympics. The analysis from multiple Olympics is clear. It costs far more than host nations gain.

As for Docklands that’s actually a case of using targeted investment, tax incentives and transport development to the attract private business in which in turn creates further investment. Not really a lot to do with the Olympics

Maybe just a good reason? One thats more tangible? Bundled up with the excitement of hosting something like that?