Main Stand redevelopment thread

[ASCPFC]

"Stadium depends on a few things! I think there's a good chance it'll actually start in the summer but it's complicated. Will become clearer in the next month or so I think. I hope to finish a piece I've been working on for a year that is related to it but it's hard to find the time. The one thing I'd say is that I have consistently been certain that they'll redevelop Selhurst. I'm slightly less certain than I have been, again for several reasons which I will hopefully be able to clear up soon"
"I've probably inadvertently made things more confusing than I'd intended.... Do I think Selhurst will be redeveloped still? Yes. Are there still things that need to happen before it can be? Yes. Not least replacing the homes they're knocking down like for like in Croydon. It's possible that the timeline could slip further. These things are rarely as straightforward as anyone would hope."

So someone close to the club thinks it might happen eventually. Amazing really. It could only be us.
I really think the club should go straight to central government and/or the courts over Croydon Council. I actually thought Rayner's statement over sidestepping council planning permission was quite interesting in our situation.
It's an unfair competitive advantage that other teams can get stuff done, yet everything we do has barriers thrown up by the worst council in Britain. Not due to us, due to their own wastefulness and incompetence. They're trying to fleece us, as is Khan.

 

[HeathMan]

Talking about Croydon Council and misreporting - or lack of proofreading - i happened to spot a recent Croydon Advertiser front page talking about a £143 million misspend on the Fairfield Halls with reference to the full story on an inside page. that page started £43m overspend.

Could the Croydon Advertiser find the funds we need?

 

[rikz]

So someone close to the club thinks it might happen eventually. Amazing really. It could only be us.
I really think the club should go straight to central government and/or the courts over Croydon Council. I actually thought Rayner's statement over sidestepping council planning permission was quite interesting in our situation.
It's an unfair competitive advantage that other teams can get stuff done, yet everything we do has barriers thrown up by the worst council in Britain. Not due to us, due to their own wastefulness and incompetence. They're trying to fleece us, as is Khan.

What barriers, rebuilding 4 council houses elsewhere in the borough, it wouldn't happen to other clubs because they would just spend the money to get it done, excuse after excuse with our owners, what are their combined worth ? 6 billion ? If they really wanted to build a 150 mill stand they could.

 

[Spiderman]

What barriers, rebuilding 4 council houses elsewhere in the borough, it wouldn't happen to other clubs because they would just spend the money to get it done, excuse after excuse with our owners, what are their combined worth ? 6 billion ? If they really wanted to build a 150 mill stand they could.

TBF trying to find available land to build 4 bed houses in the borough cannot be easy. Any available development land would have been snapped up years ago

 

[Davepalace707]

TBF trying to find available land to build 4 bed houses in the borough cannot be easy. Any available development land would have been snapped up years ago

Just buy them a nice house each and give them some money ffs. In the context of the overall spend and their combined wealth it’s peanuts. Shows their unwillingness to spend any of their own money at any stage.

 

[MFW94]

Parish says we are getting a stadium to be proud of. So I take it we are also redeveloping the Arthur.

I remember Parish saying years ago the Arthur is so old they would literally need to knock it all down and start again with that stand - issue is the capacity of it 9000 - until the main stand and corners our filled there is no point even looking at it - he said they had a survey done on it years ago and its more hassle than its worth for the time being. still seems to be massive health and safety issues with that stand for as long as I can remember

 

[HeathMan]

Just buy them a nice house each and give them some money ffs. In the context of the overall spend and their combined wealth it’s peanuts. Shows their unwillingness to spend any of their own money at any stage.

Sadly, there is the question of housing stock. I understand that those houses need to be replaced, within Croydon, before demolition.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Sadly, there is the question of housing stock. I understand that those houses need to be replaced, within Croydon, before demolition.

I work in Planning as a Consultant. There are all sorts of Conditions placed on developments that can be by-passed by placing funds into various Council departments to off-set problems.
Look at developments where a % of them is required to be affordable. It is standard practice to forgo the affordable element and put appropriate funds into Councils Housing funds.
These Council Houses , methinks, are being used as a smoke screen from the real issues delaying development,

 

[Spiderman]

Just buy them a nice house each and give them some money ffs. In the context of the overall spend and their combined wealth it’s peanuts. Shows their unwillingness to spend any of their own money at any stage.

I agree, unfortunately the beloved London Mayor, Sir Shyster, had decreed that no housing numbers could e lost, there 4-5 houses must be built to replace those being demolished

 

[rikz]

It's just excuse after excuse, for years the club blamed Sainsbury's for over pricing a piece of land, now it's Croydon council and allocating a few council houses, they will drag this out for 5 years, then it'll be something else.

 

[JHB]

I agree, unfortunately the beloved London Mayor, Sir Shyster, had decreed that no housing numbers could e lost, there 4-5 houses must be built to replace those being demolished

This isn’t new. Most councils and planning authorities have long had provisions that mean if you are reducing housing stock you must either replace it or pay. Section 106 agreements as they are called have been in place since the early 90s. As a poster above has said if the club really wanted to then they could deal with this in a matter of weeks. It’s a very common feature of developments rather than something unique to this situation.

 

[eagleheath]

Any suggestions on who or what new stand will be named after . Evens - The Steve Parish Stand / The Steve Coppell Stand. 5 million to one on the Alan Mullery Anti-Christ stand.

 

[Willo]

Any suggestions on who or what new stand will be named after . Evens - The Steve Parish Stand / The Steve Coppell Stand. 5 million to one on the Alan Mullery Anti-Christ stand.

It is the model of plausibility that the new stand will be sponsored by a Business contributing significantly to the CPFC coffers.

 

[ex hibitionist]

It is the model of plausibility that the new stand will be sponsored by a Business contributing significantly to the CPFC coffers.

in no particular order here are the options:

The Jim Cannon Stand
The Ian Wright Stand
The Jerk Chicken Stand
The Enormous Victorian Chandelier (Stand)
The About Bloody Time Stand
The Goodbye Hideous Cattle Shed Stand

It won't be the Steve Parrish Stand - that would be too egostistical for our humble and gracious leader.

 

[Dnjc]

This isn’t new. Most councils and planning authorities have long had provisions that mean if you are reducing housing stock you must either replace it or pay. Section 106 agreements as they are called have been in place since the early 90s. As a poster above has said if the club really wanted to then they could deal with this in a matter of weeks. It’s a very common feature of developments rather than something unique to this situation.

Just buy alternative 5 houses from private owners if they are council owned. Councils are such a waste of space. Squander so much money on administrators!

 

[est1905]

This isn’t new. Most councils and planning authorities have long had provisions that mean if you are reducing housing stock you must either replace it or pay. Section 106 agreements as they are called have been in place since the early 90s. As a poster above has said if the club really wanted to then they could deal with this in a matter of weeks. It’s a very common feature of developments rather than something unique to this situation.

While you are absolutely right its not unheard of for just one of the occupants of those houses to just dig their heels in and say no. Wont leave. This could be a ploy to squeeze more money out the club, it could be because his wife is buried under the patio, it might just be his adoring love of the smell of petrol fumes and Jerk chicken in the mornings that you just cant replicate in Dulwich!
Point is, it only takes one awkward sod to grind everything to a halt. This may not be the club or the Council's fault.

 

[silvertop]

What barriers, rebuilding 4 council houses elsewhere in the borough, it wouldn't happen to other clubs because they would just spend the money to get it done, excuse after excuse with our owners, what are their combined worth ? 6 billion ? If they really wanted to build a 150 mill stand they could.

Goal posts shift (sorry, pun).

By way of example, where I now live a rail link to Bristol along a pre-existing Beeching line has been promised for decades, approved by the SoS and central government funds ring-fenced... Only for economic shock after economic shock to hike the cost and mean the need to scrape around for further funding.

And still no line. Would put 20% on local house values!

Thus, I suspect inflation has as much to do with the delays of the Selhurst rebuild as anything else.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

While you are absolutely right its not unheard of for just one of the occupants of those houses to just dig their heels in and say no. Wont leave. This could be a ploy to squeeze more money out the club, it could be because his wife is buried under the patio, it might just be his adoring love of the smell of petrol fumes and Jerk chicken in the mornings that you just cant replicate in Dulwich!
Point is, it only takes one awkward sod to grind everything to a halt. This may not be the club or the Council's fault.

Indeed!

 

[rikz]

Goal posts shift (sorry, pun).

By way of example, where I now live a rail link to Bristol along a pre-existing Beeching line has been promised for decades, approved by the SoS and central government funds ring-fenced... Only for economic shock after economic shock to hike the cost and mean the need to scrape around for further funding.

And still no line. Would put 20% on local house values!

Thus, I suspect inflation has as much to do with the delays of the Selhurst rebuild as anything else.

I'm just sick of the excuses now, look at the Sainsbury's excuse, Parish himself pretty much admitted, he thought he could get Sainsbury's to build us a new stadium in return for a slightly bigger store, I admire the optimism but it's just laughable that Sainsbury's would even consider that.

So now we need to buy land from them. Yeah they probably did want just above market price but does anyone genuinely belive a company that turns over more in a week, than we do in a year are interested in holding us to ransom over a bit of land ? There wouldn't have been any negotiating from Sainsbury's, they gave us a price and said pay it and you can have it. They're one of the biggest companies in the country, I doubt they give that much thought to a part of car park in one of their thousands of stores across the country.

 

[Foxy82]

Looks like Steve's been on Wikipedia...