Main Stand redevelopment thread

I have my doubts that these plans will materialise anytime soon. Looking back at articles from as far back as 2011, when the idea of relocating to Crystal Palace Park was first floated, it’s clear that 14 years on, we haven’t made much progress. Would it really be so difficult to renovate the existing stadium instead? While a major capacity increase might not be feasible, surely there’s potential to modernise and make better use of the current space like adding seating in the corners, for example.
 
MrRobbo said:
Easier said then done though isn't it.

South London is pretty built up, you are not going to find a brownfield site 10 mins from a decent station are you?

You'll find more space if you go South, but how far do you need to go? How far is too far?

Surely Crystal Palace Park has to be the answer. It feels on paper that it could work, closes to Selhurst, historic site, stadium in disrepair, the London Bridge line (that surely wouldn't be too hard to get more trains to stop at Penge West on match day).

The councils should, be begging us to move there. If we could build something decent, we open up a huge potential South London venue (personally getting sick of all the gigs I have to travel to N London for)
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Well, we could agree to rebuild the athletics stadium and redevelop the site as part of the project. That seems like a no brainer on face value.
Unfortunately, it seems that for various reasons, this is a complete non starter.

It's a tragedy, really.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Well, we could agree to rebuild the athletics stadium and redevelop the site as part of the project. That seems like a no brainer on face value.
Unfortunately, it seems that for various reasons, this is a complete non starter.

It's a tragedy, really.
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Sorry! Sir Sadiq got there first - 'cos he can override all the objections of the Nimbys up the hill......

www.london.gov.uk

Mayor unveils new images showcasing major improvements to Crystal Palace National Sports Centre

The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has unveiled new images that showcase the once-in-a-generation redevelopment Crystal Palace National Sports Centre.
www.london.gov.uk www.london.gov.uk
 
rikz said:
Same, I always used to walk down Sydenham road back to East Croydon, never understood why so many people jumped on a train at selhurst to get off at East Croydon, it must only be about half a mile walk.
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It’s probably not much different to the walk from Seven Sisters to WHL which the Spurs fans and away fans do every other week.
 
becky said:
Sorry! Sir Sadiq got there first - 'cos he can override all the objections of the Nimbys up the hill......

www.london.gov.uk

Mayor unveils new images showcasing major improvements to Crystal Palace National Sports Centre

The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has unveiled new images that showcase the once-in-a-generation redevelopment Crystal Palace National Sports Centre.
www.london.gov.uk www.london.gov.uk
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One has to imagine that he would have been happy for Woody Johnson to pay for it.

I think the timescale is the problem. It would take years to get a stadium built there.
It might be that despite the potential issues, redeveloping Selhurst is just easier and quicker. Visible signs of the main stand construction would be a start. It won't look good if we don't see any in January.

I feel like we need to be a little more aggressive in getting the rest of the ground up to a modern standard. It can't take another 100 years.

Easy for me to say.
 
The main thing for me is the type of stadium.

I would absolutely hate moving to a purpose built bowl with no atmosphere (Emirates) or a stadium incorporating an athletics track (West Ham). One only has to look at the negative comments from the Hammers fans about their new ground, plus we’ve all seen how awful it is for ourselves.

I find the old 4 stand stadiums so so much better than these new soulless bowls. (The only one I’ve been to which actually felt ok and was good to watch the game from was StadiumMK.

Yes, the new Spurs stadium is very good - but doesn’t get anywhere near the atmosphere or enjoyment of watching a game at WHL. Similarly Everton’s new stadium versus Goodison Park.

I understand people are saying capacity matters…I’m just not certain how much it matters over the actual match-day experience every other week.

Give me a redeveloped Selhurst Park (with a capacity of circa 42,000) over a new out of town 50,000+ basin every day of the week!
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Well, we could agree to rebuild the athletics stadium and redevelop the site as part of the project. That seems like a no brainer on face value.
Unfortunately, it seems that for various reasons, this is a complete non starter.

It's a tragedy, really.
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It's only a tragedy if we try and fail. This decade we haven't even tried as far as I am aware. With our new owners and a very experienced Chairman, if we were to battle for three years and win we would be in. Totally clear to build whatever new stadium is agreed, IN Crystal Palace. Due to access, space and existing footprint, it could probably be completed in less than three years.
If, as is being explored on here, we re- model Selhurst stand by stand, with each one going through the ridiculously slow local council planning system, think twenty years of heartache disruption etc. For many posters I would guess beyond their lives.
Sadly, having said all that, it looks like we have missed the boat.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
One has to imagine that he would have been happy for Woody Johnson to pay for it.

I think the timescale is the problem. It would take years to get a stadium built there.
It might be that despite the potential issues, redeveloping Selhurst is just easier and quicker. Visible signs of the main stand construction would be a start. It won't look good if we don't see any in January.

I feel like we need to be a little more aggressive in getting the rest of the ground up to a modern standard. It can't take another 100 years.

Easy for me to say.
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Seeing as it looks like the ship has sailed at CPNP, we should surely now be looking to follow the new stand with an uplift to the Arthur and the white horse all at the same time re planning. We should be starting on this right now as it will take a good while to have it approved.
All we really need is a cantilever roof on the Arthur and possibly a second tier or more hospitality in the white horse and filling in the corners to get north of 40,000 capacity. Parish will know the best options.
I still believe SP is the right man to deliver this as he is a very good sensible steady organiser, who undoubtedly is doing a great job in growing our club while retaining the amazing atmosphere.
(Still remains a shame we have missed the CPNP though!)
 
dreamwaverider said:
It's only a tragedy if we try and fail. This decade we haven't even tried as far as I am aware. With our new owners and a very experienced Chairman, if we were to battle for three years and win we would be in. Totally clear to build whatever new stadium is agreed, IN Crystal Palace. Due to access, space and existing footprint, it could probably be completed in less than three years.
If, as is being explored on here, we re- model Selhurst stand by stand, with each one going through the ridiculously slow local council planning system, think twenty years of heartache disruption etc. For many posters I would guess beyond their lives.
Sadly, having said all that, it looks like we have missed the boat.
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Yes, the only caveat to my post above would be if we could ever return to CPP with a state of the art Stadium (not simply a soulless bowl - and certainly NO athletics track) then that would be amazing. Actually playing in Crystal Palace within that park, with crowds accessing from 360° like the Olympic Stadium in Rome. Set in amazing grounds and able to host international fixtures, European Cup finals and major concerts, then I could definitely get behind that!
 
dreamwaverider said:
It's only a tragedy if we try and fail. This decade we haven't even tried as far as I am aware. With our new owners and a very experienced Chairman, if we were to battle for three years and win we would be in. Totally clear to build whatever new stadium is agreed, IN Crystal Palace. Due to access, space and existing footprint, it could probably be completed in less than three years.
If, as is being explored on here, we re- model Selhurst stand by stand, with each one going through the ridiculously slow local council planning system, think twenty years of heartache disruption etc. For many posters I would guess beyond their lives.
Sadly, having said all that, it looks like we have missed the boat.
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We did explore the idea, and we even had a stadium design. I think it's all about timescale. They have concluded that it would take too long. The actual build is the least problematic part.


I hope that we can push ahead with stadium redevelopment. It would be great to see it within my lifetime. Without Covid and with the experience of the current project, I could see us moving quicker on the rest of the ground. The sticking point is money. Our owners can afford it, but will they be prepared to speculate?

If we want Champions League level, then it has to happen.
 
Runningman said:
Crystal Palace Park is a nightmare to get to without adding 40000 odd thousand fans trying to get to a game. Really is a non starter.
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I haven't been up to the Park for a few years but when I did drive through there regularly there was nearly always heavy traffic WITHOUT an event going on. Can you imagine 40,000 football supporters on a Saturday afternoon? Carnage
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
But we haven't.

If we were going to reconsider a move elsewhere, this would be the time. Unfortunately, we can't wait another 10 years to make it happen. We need more capacity ASAP.
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SP himself said this new main stand would take around 5 years to complete.

Cost wise it doesn't make any sense 200m for one stand and lets say they can do work on others the ground really does have a limit of around 40 thousand it can't go beyond that.

This is why we need a new home one that even if it starts at only 45 thousand is whats best fro the club.

The current site would be worth a few £ as well


Runningman said:
Crystal Palace Park is a nightmare to get to without adding 40000 odd thousand fans trying to get to a game. Really is a non starter.
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I have been to this location numerous times and Selhurst and Selhurst is far worse.

This has been backed by many people who do not have rose tinted specs on.

Both need big improvement but from what I have heard and even what the transport ministry said about Selhurst it is very limited what can be done and Palace even acknowledged this in public transport sense that is.


MrRobbo said:
Easier said then done though isn't it.

South London is pretty built up, you are not going to find a brownfield site 10 mins from a decent station are you?

You'll find more space if you go South, but how far do you need to go? How far is too far?

Surely Crystal Palace Park has to be the answer. It feels on paper that it could work, closes to Selhurst, historic site, stadium in disrepair, the London Bridge line (that surely wouldn't be too hard to get more trains to stop at Penge West on match day).

The councils should, be begging us to move there. If we could build something decent, we open up a huge potential South London venue (personally getting sick of all the gigs I have to travel to N London for)
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If it's for the greater god of the club I don't see an issue moving outside the area it's not as if we would be doing MK Dons sort of thing.

I believe the councils was open to it they needed some extras £££ to be onboard and SP doesn't do that plus to much messing about has now killed it (Should have been in the works a long time ago)

Two former owners have said the location was available for the right deal Noades refused because they at the time limited ground size to 35 thousand and he had plans to increase Selhurst to over that so didn't see the point which in the end the council lied to him.

The councils would be happy you got to pay the right people this is why you see the big clubs get things done but it does require £ with one of the biggest things you have to fund is transport Palace don't appear to want to do this spending 10-15million for that side of things appears a lot but it really issued when you are spending 400-500m on a stadium.

We will do the main stand and that will be it some of the others may get some reshuffle or face lifts but nothing else.

People should go checkout all the other clubs in Prem plan wise what they have laid out for there grounds its interesting and shows fans really do matter.

Last thing sick of people who cry about ground atmosphere it's the fans not the ground most of the ones people moan about its there dull fans Arsenal for example (Spurs stadium is fantastic and having been there the atmosphere in section I was in was fantastic same goes for new wembley apart from massive corp section that is dull)
 
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Hrolf The Ganger said:
One has to imagine that he would have been happy for Woody Johnson to pay for it.

I think the timescale is the problem. It would take years to get a stadium built there.
It might be that despite the potential issues, redeveloping Selhurst is just easier and quicker. Visible signs of the main stand construction would be a start. It won't look good if we don't see any in January.

I feel like we need to be a little more aggressive in getting the rest of the ground up to a modern standard. It can't take another 100 years.

Easy for me to say.
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But here's the kicker, would Woody Johnson be happy to pay for it? I'm guessing not.
 
grumpymort said:
SP himself said this new main stand would take around 5 years to complete.

Cost wise it doesn't make any sense 200m for one stand and lets say they can do work on others the ground really does have a limit of around 40 thousand it can't go beyond that.

This is why we need a new home one that even if it starts at only 45 thousand is whats best fro the club.

The current site would be worth a few £ as well




I have been to this location numerous times and Selhurst and Selhurst is far worse.

This has been backed by many people who do not have rose tinted specs on.

Both need big improvement but from what I have heard and even what the transport ministry said about Selhurst it is very limited what can be done and Palace even acknowledged this in public transport sense that is.




If it's for the greater god of the club I don't see an issue moving outside the area it's not as if we would be doing MK Dons sort of thing.

I believe the councils was open to it they needed some extras £££ to be onboard and SP doesn't do that plus to much messing about has now killed it (Should have been in the works a long time ago)

Two former owners have said the location was available for the right deal Noades refused because they at the time limited ground size to 35 thousand and he had plans to increase Selhurst to over that so didn't see the point which in the end the council lied to him.

The councils would be happy you got to pay the right people this is why you see the big clubs get things done but it does require £ with one of the biggest things you have to fund is transport Palace don't appear to want to do this spending 10-15million for that side of things appears a lot but it really issued when you are spending 400-500m on a stadium.

We will do the main stand and that will be it some of the others may get some reshuffle or face lifts but nothing else.

People should go checkout all the other clubs in Prem plan wise what they have laid out for there grounds its interesting and shows fans really do matter.
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Two and a half years not 5. Its been said many times and is even mentioned in the planning details
 
The new Everton ground is good, but we dont have the benefits of an old dockyard area that needed redeveloping, the whole area around there reminded me of the old dockland before canary wharf, will be proper redeveloped, lots of old derelict warehouses etc.
So we have all worked out we have to stay at Selhurst, I doubt I will still be here when it gets done, bit like the A303 Stonehenge bypass or the A27 at Arundel.
Another issue is the footprint around Selhurst, a new stand will require a large construction site, you cant get away anymore with a few hoardings, and who knows what actually is under the main stand?
 
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