Main Stand redevelopment thread

[Mets1]

Wandering why SP feels the need to go on a national radio station to make statements about the so long overdue premised new (Old) stand- took me grandsons on a stadium tour 3 years ago and the building of the stand was to begin in the summer!!!!!!!!!!

Why couldn’t he announce this minor developments of the stand via cpfc .co.uk!

Smoke ‘n’mirrors Steve (and egos)very disappointing!

 

[NMPalace]

Wandering why SP feels the need to go on a national radio station to make statements about the so long overdue premised new (Old) stand- took me grandsons on a stadium tour 3 years ago and the building of the stand was to begin in the summer!!!!!!!!!!

Why couldn’t he announce this minor developments of the stand via cpfc .co.uk!

Smoke ‘n’mirrors Steve (and egos)very disappointing!

well that is what his other company is called - no such thing as a coincidence

 

[mtp1958]

So why not go for steel from the get go?

change of plans of how to build it , but keeping within planning permission , what looks good on paper doesn't always translate on how to achieve it , I know from the work I've done on my house lol , yes smaller but plans change how to achieve it , my budget was 28k with extra 7k ive spent 60k so far 😢😢

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I seem to remember the full planned redevelopment of SP would take us to 40,000 (ish) the upgrade of the main stand to 34,000 is phase 1 - now obvs the time its taking to make phase 1 a reality many on here will say we will never progress beyond it.

I'd really love to see the Whitehorse end redone. Not because of the capacity, but just to undo the wrong of ripping it down to build a Sainsbury's. That was symbolic of our decline through the 80's.
We would of course have to increase it by around 6k seats to hit 40k.

I'm not sure how that would be done, given the limited space, but I'm sure an architect could figure something out if they haven't already.

 

[ASCPFC]

Work has started:

 

[Adrift]

I'd really love to see the Whitehorse end redone. Not because of the capacity, but just to undo the wrong of ripping it down to build a Sainsbury's. That was symbolic of our decline through the 80's.
We would of course have to increase it by around 6k seats to hit 40k.

I'm not sure how that would be done, given the limited space, but I'm sure an architect could figure something out if they haven't already.

I remember reading somewhere along the line that the Whitehorse was built in such a way that its possible to add a second tier. No idea of the details or how it would affect the 2 rows of boxes, especially if we don't need them with the new main stand.

 

[eaglesfans]

I remember reading somewhere along the line that the Whitehorse was built in such a way that its possible to add a second tier. No idea of the details or how it would affect the 2 rows of boxes, especially if we don't need them with the new main stand.

Certainly my recollection was boxes temporary with potential 2nd tier higher and behind, presumably, over sainsbury .where night club is (was ?).

 

[est1905]

Yeah, all very well and good, but adding 8 thousand bums on seats for the outlay expected now does not make any financial sense whatsoever. That stadium of ours will not be big enough anyway, we need well, well above 34 thousand capacity, more like 50 thousand, especially if you are spending the megabucks that is being quoted and is doing the rounds now.

You are wrong, the bubble will burst at some point. TV money is already beginning to slow down. In the next ten years the disparency will begin to flatline and the wealthiest clubs will begin to lose income that they currently rely on. The very top accountancy/finance experts on the planet have been studying these trends for some time. They all agree this is the way its going to go.
Clubs that thought TV money was the holy grail and that one day clubs would not even need the money from gate receipts have now been proved so so wrong. Stadium expansion is the future regardless of cost effectiveness in real time. Why do you think Arsenal are now looking to expand the Emirates when fans at the door on match days currently show they dont need to?

 

[johnny the eagle]

You are wrong, the bubble will burst at some point. TV money is already beginning to slow down. In the next ten years the disparency will begin to flatline and the wealthiest clubs will begin to lose income that they currently rely on. The very top accountancy/finance experts on the planet have been studying these trends for some time. They all agree this is the way its going to go.
Clubs that thought TV money was the holy grail and that one day clubs would not even need the money from gate receipts have now been proved so so wrong. Stadium expansion is the future regardless of cost effectiveness in real time. Why do you think Arsenal are now looking to expand the Emirates when fans at the door on match days currently show they dont need to?

With us, by the look of it, committed to expanding our capacity by another 8,000:00, the cost of those seats at £25,000:00 per seat seems a tad on the expensive side. If contracts to start the build are now signed Palace now pulling out of the project might be financially nigh on impossible. There are a lot of clubs along with us that will be in the s**t then won't there. Everton have really blown it, then haven't they? Have a read of my post on page 19 of this topic. You will see that I have posted that I personally think we will require a capacity in the region of approximately 50 thousand. Maybe even north of that, justifying spending 200 million quid for an extra 8 thousand seats................................. that is very good financially, that aint it.

 

[dreamwaverider]

You are wrong, the bubble will burst at some point. TV money is already beginning to slow down. In the next ten years the disparency will begin to flatline and the wealthiest clubs will begin to lose income that they currently rely on. The very top accountancy/finance experts on the planet have been studying these trends for some time. They all agree this is the way its going to go.
Clubs that thought TV money was the holy grail and that one day clubs would not even need the money from gate receipts have now been proved so so wrong. Stadium expansion is the future regardless of cost effectiveness in real time. Why do you think Arsenal are now looking to expand the Emirates when fans at the door on match days currently show they dont need to?

I disagree. The future will be TV and bigger screens.
For most clubs in the Premier, TV money dwarfs their gate receipts and that is not going away soon.

 

[est1905]

I remember reading somewhere along the line that the Whitehorse was built in such a way that its possible to add a second tier. No idea of the details or how it would affect the 2 rows of boxes, especially if we don't need them with the new main stand.

I'm no expert on how it would be done but the Whitehorse was definitely built with foundations capable of taking a second tier. That along with no need for the boxes once the Main stand is complete would enable something resembling (if not identical to) the Holmesdale. And this would be no where near the kind of scale project of the Main either.

As someone else mentioned about phases 1, 2, etc, I dont see why we cant start the application process for the next part of the redevelopment of Selhurst the minute construction on the Main Stand begins. We know the entire process is going to take a few years minimum anyway. We should get on with getting this approved asap in my opinion. Its not as if architects drawings and planning permission is going to cost that much and no one's forcing the club to spend money on doing it any time soon but once we have permission the club know they can start on it at their leisure.

 

[est1905]

I disagree. The future will be TV and bigger screens.

I personally dont have much of a strong opinion on it because I'm not an expert in this field although I do know how to run a business. I'm mainly gauging expert opinion. And from that its unanimous. TV money is drying up. Its already begun. Over the next ten years contract renewals will shrink instead of grow.
They are still growing right now by and large but they are growing by smaller and smaller amounts each time. There is only so much money a TV company will pay for a product like the Premiership. Not so long ago fear was driving that growth. Fear that a rival network would buy it from under them. Now? The Sky tv and TNTs of this world will pay what they are willing to pay and thats it. No going the extra mile to fend off a rival. The latest deal Sky struck they wouldn't pay any more initially. It was only when they ended up getting more games for roughly same price that they agreed to pay the PL a modest bonus.

 

[est1905]

With us, by the look of it, committed to expanding our capacity by another 8,000:00, the cost of those seats at £25,000:00 per seat seems a tad on the expensive side. If contracts to start the build are now signed Palace now pulling out of the project might be financially nigh on impossible. There are a lot of clubs along with us that will be in the s**t then won't there. Everton have really blown it, then haven't they? Have a read of my post on page 19 of this topic. You will see that I have posted that I personally think we will require a capacity in the region of approximately 50 thousand. Maybe even north of that, justifying spending 200 million quid for an extra 8 thousand seats................................. that is very good financially, that aint it.

Yes it seems expensive right now. It'll be three times that in 10 years and we'll have done it whereas other clubs will be needing to and wondering how they can justify the cost.

 

[est1905]

I disagree. The future will be TV and bigger screens.
For most clubs in the Premier, TV money dwarfs their gate receipts and that is not going away soon.

I agree its not going away soon but gradually it is lessening. It has already begun. Dont take my word for it. Look up the figures yourself. The only reason the PLs last deal was favourable was because SKY got more games for more or less the same money.

 

[ASCPFC]

Glad it's nearly built anyway.

 

[mtp1958]

I remember seeing the plans for our new stadium in the old club house in 1980 thats was 40k all seated looked like mini Wembley if I remember , think 45k is our max we can bulid on this site with redevelopment of white horse , filling in corners , and of course the Arther wait , so its possible

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I remember seeing the plans for our new stadium in the old club house in 1980 thats was 40k all seated looked like mini Wembley if I remember , think 45k is our max we can bulid on this site with redevelopment of white horse , filling in corners , and of course the Arther wait , so its possible

The obvious way to increase capacity would be to put another tier on the Arthur Waite Stand.

There are a dozen houses or so behind the stand which could be purchased if light restriction was an issue.
You could probably put 5k on a top tier with some more executive boxes and that would give us our 40k. The boxes in the Whitehorse could then be removed and add some more seats to that end.

It's all about money.

 

[crvenaeagle]

The UK really is barmy, it costs and absolute shitload to build anything and it's not material costs and labour, oh no, those boys get f*** all too. It's all bureaucracy and red tape. The Lower Thames Crossing has cost £1.2b and they haven't even built anything yet. How is the country supposed to progress under these conditions, and more importantly where is that money going?