Letby – more information coming to light

georgenorman said:
He is as guilty as hell. A good indication of this is that Steeleye thinks he is innocent.
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I actually agree with Steeley. The forensic evidence was destroyed almost immediately
, why? The police officer who had doubts about Bambers guilt died after falling off a ladder. One of the main prosecution witnesses was a cousin, who inherited the family wealth and suggestions that she was having an affair with the lead detective. My wife’s grandmother lived in the same village and followed the case very closely, she attended the family’s funerals, she didn’t like Bamber but believed he was innocent.
He has been a model prisoner from day 1, has had several appeals refused, why? He has now served 40 years, with no inkling of parole, why? I believe there has been a massive cover up, whether that be because of police incompetence or some other reason.
 
Spiderman said:
I actually agree with Steeley. The forensic evidence was destroyed almost immediately
, why? The police officer who had doubts about Bambers guilt died after falling off a ladder. One of the main prosecution witnesses was a cousin, who inherited the family wealth and suggestions that she was having an affair with the lead detective. My wife’s grandmother lived in the same village and followed the case very closely, she attended the family’s funerals, she didn’t like Bamber but believed he was innocent.
He has been a model prisoner from day 1, has had several appeals refused, why? He has now served 40 years, with no inkling of parole, why? I believe there has been a massive cover up, whether that be because of police incompetence or some other reason.
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Bamber Gascoingne asked too many questions.
 
cryrst said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Lucy Letby will not face further criminal charges

Former nurse Lucy Letby is serving 15 whole-life terms for murder and attempted murder.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Think this will disappoint a few. Didn’t meet the evidential requirement. If this is the same evidence as why she’s inside questions need asking surely.
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There ought to be a retrial. Multiple infant fatalities when she was not present. Self appointed "expert" witness. Can't pin these other deaths on her. Something is amiss.
 
cryrst said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Experts want inquiry delay over Letby evidence concerns

Experts want inquiry delay over Letby evidence concerns
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

So I’m not saying she is innocent before that barrage but it appears babies died when she wasn’t on duty and many have died since. Could it be that s*** happened and there had to be a reason. We all die and sadly some babies die as well.
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Yeah, not 17, with 25 collapses all on her shift and hers alone. Plus tons of evidence.

GUILTY. ROT IN HELL
 
She might be guilty. But how we got here was using data and statistics, rather than any evidence, other than her colleagues hearsay and notes in Letby's diary. None of which are conclusive by any stretch.

What I'd like to see, and we know other staff had suspicions. Is witness statements, CCTV footage, evidence of tampered equipment. We've had nothing of that, even thought senior staff were 'suspicious' , there were no additional security or monitoring measures implemented.
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Maybe in a civil case she might have been convicted, as the evidential threshold is less. A "more likely than not" threshold.
In criminal cases, it is "Beyond all reasonable doubt".
My questions are , why when things were suspected by management, weren't sufficient safety measures put in place to limit , or identify, why these deaths were happening ?
i think it was mentioned in the trial that the hospital wasn't meeting general hygiene standards, or it's records weren't maintained.
The number of deaths after initial concerns were raised by staff, is alarming. That IF it was Letby, she was allowed to continue with her role, unrestricted.
That said, statistics are curious things. Sometimes they just throw weird figures out. Sometimes infants just die (I think it used to be called Cot Death)

I think the prosecution case is as poor as her defence team was. I'm not saying she's not guilty. It's how we got 'guilty' has huge deficiencies, and IMO doesn't meet the threshold for a criminal conviction.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Maybe in a civil case she might have been convicted, as the evidential threshold is less. A "more likely than not" threshold.
In criminal cases, it is "Beyond all reasonable doubt".
My questions are , why when things were suspected by management, weren't sufficient safety measures put in place to limit , or identify, why these deaths were happening ?
i think it was mentioned in the trial that the hospital wasn't meeting general hygiene standards, or it's records weren't maintained.
The number of deaths after initial concerns were raised by staff, is alarming. That IF it was Letby, she was allowed to continue with her role, unrestricted.
That said, statistics are curious things. Sometimes they just throw weird figures out. Sometimes infants just die (I think it used to be called Cot Death)

I think the prosecution case is as poor as her defence team was. I'm not saying she's not guilty. It's how we got 'guilty' has huge deficiencies, and IMO doesn't meet the threshold for a criminal conviction.
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Have you read The Thirlwall Enquiry Report?
 
Phil’s Barber said:
Have you read The Thirlwall Enquiry Report?
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No, there are huge gaps in my knowledge of the case. My opinions have been formed by media reporting on the trial. I am as much an expert on law, as I am on football.
 
chris123 said:
I thought the final report hadn't been published yet?
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Quite correct,

This is the latest status of the report:
"The Inquiry has written to Core Participants with an update on the timetable for the final report. Work on the report is ongoing, and publication is scheduled for after Easter 2026.

A further update on the timetable will be provided at the end of February 2026."

And excuse the often suspicious nature of my posts in relation to Enquiries. This should give Senior Managers time to conclude taking their early pensions, for ward staff to be promoted out of the way, and for the findings to conclude "things could have been done a whole lot better, but no-one is accountable"
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Quite correct,

This is the latest status of the report:
"The Inquiry has written to Core Participants with an update on the timetable for the final report. Work on the report is ongoing, and publication is scheduled for after Easter 2026.

A further update on the timetable will be provided at the end of February 2026."

And excuse the often suspicious nature of my posts in relation to Enquiries. This should give Senior Managers time to conclude taking their early pensions, for ward staff to be promoted out of the way, and for the findings to conclude "things could have been done a whole lot better, but no-one is accountable"
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Apart from 1 nurse !!!
There was a program on TV recently with specialists with no axe to grind either way. They were not asked their opinion in the trial but the evidence they produced seemed to point to that the conviction is not safe.
Not that she wasn’t guilty but every death was explainable to be natural or bad general care all around.
 
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