Labour Party politics

Spiderman said:
Nope as I worked for 44 years for my pension. You don’t need billions to stop the boats, just a willingness to try, ie deterrents. Anyone who enters illegally should be detained in secure camps, do you disagree? What I would sacrifice is overseas aid, for ridiculous projects (see attached).
Also those with their own Space programmes and those with copious amounts of billionaires ( eg India).
What about the £111 m over 11 years to Pakistan for an accelerated Family Planning initiative.
Are you happy that any cut in your pension ( apologies if not yet in receipt but you will do) go to these
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No you didn't. That is the great lie the props up the pension system.

Every penny in tax you paid was used to pay for public services you enjoyed at the time.

Your NI was used to cover sickness, unemployment etc. The clue is in the word "insurance".

The pension system was necessary in 1948 but is unnecessary in its application now. There are 12.9 million people in receipt of state pension (AND GROWING FAST) but only 1.9 million pensioners in poverty (who should receive benefit).

The disposable income of pensioners shot passed the waged many years ago. Pensioners enjoy roughly £1000 more a month than the waged than 10 years ago. Ever wonder why your visit to a new car showroom only has people your age; or why every foreign holiday you have feels like a Darby and Joan Club outing?

The state pension has become a sacred cow that cannot be removed because every selfish recipient votes.

And the word selfish is apt. If you want the greatest complaints about immigration, the loudest voices are from those of pensionable age. Just check this site. I don't disagree with the sentiment. But while you all insist on policies to curb illegal immigration to be made a priority over all other public expenditure, the one exception is the state pension that you personally receive.

It rather devalues your argument if you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is.

I work and am happy to pay more tax to fund it. Will you similarly accept a reduction in your state pension to achieve the same outcome?
 
silvertop said:
No you didn't. That is the great lie the props up the pension system.

Every penny in tax you paid was used to pay for public services you enjoyed at the time.

Your NI was used to cover sickness, unemployment etc. The clue is in the word "insurance".

The pension system was necessary in 1948 but is unnecessary in its application now. There are 12.9 million people in receipt of state pension (AND GROWING FAST) but only 1.9 million pensioners in poverty (who should receive benefit).

The disposable income of pensioners shot passed the waged many years ago. Pensioners enjoy roughly £1000 more a month than the waged than 10 years ago. Ever wonder why your visit to a new car showroom only has people your age; or why every foreign holiday you have feels like a Darby and Joan Club outing?

The state pension has become a sacred cow that cannot be removed because every selfish recipient votes.

And the word selfish is apt. If you want the greatest complaints about immigration, the loudest voices are from those of pensionable age. Just check this site. I don't disagree with the sentiment. But while you all insist on policies to curb illegal immigration to be made a priority over all other public expenditure, the one exception is the state pension that you personally receive.

It rather devalues your argument if you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is.

I work and am happy to pay more tax to fund it. Will you similarly accept a reduction in your state pension to achieve the same outcome?
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What a load of bollocks. Nice of you to call all pensioners selfish, says a lot about you tbh. Have I actually said curbing illegal immigration should take priority over all other public expenditure? I don’t think so
As I have said numerous times on here, stopping illegal immigration is easier than is claimed ( well there has to be a political will to stop it). Detain on arrival in secure camps. Give them nothing but the very basic needs. Take away the incentives, save you loads
 
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silvertop said:
No you didn't. That is the great lie the props up the pension system.

Every penny in tax you paid was used to pay for public services you enjoyed at the time.

Your NI was used to cover sickness, unemployment etc. The clue is in the word "insurance".

The pension system was necessary in 1948 but is unnecessary in its application now. There are 12.9 million people in receipt of state pension (AND GROWING FAST) but only 1.9 million pensioners in poverty (who should receive benefit).

The disposable income of pensioners shot passed the waged many years ago. Pensioners enjoy roughly £1000 more a month than the waged than 10 years ago. Ever wonder why your visit to a new car showroom only has people your age; or why every foreign holiday you have feels like a Darby and Joan Club outing?

The state pension has become a sacred cow that cannot be removed because every selfish recipient votes.

And the word selfish is apt. If you want the greatest complaints about immigration, the loudest voices are from those of pensionable age. Just check this site. I don't disagree with the sentiment. But while you all insist on policies to curb illegal immigration to be made a priority over all other public expenditure, the one exception is the state pension that you personally receive.

It rather devalues your argument if you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is.

I work and am happy to pay more tax to fund it. Will you similarly accept a reduction in your state pension to achieve the same outcome?
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So Spiderman thinks that public spending on state pensions is more important than spending on curbing illegal immigration. What a strange chap he must be.😳
 
silvertop said:
No you didn't. That is the great lie the props up the pension system.

Every penny in tax you paid was used to pay for public services you enjoyed at the time.

Your NI was used to cover sickness, unemployment etc. The clue is in the word "insurance".

The pension system was necessary in 1948 but is unnecessary in its application now. There are 12.9 million people in receipt of state pension (AND GROWING FAST) but only 1.9 million pensioners in poverty (who should receive benefit).

The disposable income of pensioners shot passed the waged many years ago. Pensioners enjoy roughly £1000 more a month than the waged than 10 years ago. Ever wonder why your visit to a new car showroom only has people your age; or why every foreign holiday you have feels like a Darby and Joan Club outing?

The state pension has become a sacred cow that cannot be removed because every selfish recipient votes.

And the word selfish is apt. If you want the greatest complaints about immigration, the loudest voices are from those of pensionable age. Just check this site. I don't disagree with the sentiment. But while you all insist on policies to curb illegal immigration to be made a priority over all other public expenditure, the one exception is the state pension that you personally receive.

It rather devalues your argument if you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is.

I work and am happy to pay more tax to fund it. Will you similarly accept a reduction in your state pension to achieve the same outcome?
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What finances should someone at pension age have to be able to not need a pension ? Many will live till say 85 so that’s 18 years at ? k per year to have a half decent life. You may be sorted but millions are not even if they are not in the ‘poverty’ bracket. What if these not in the bracket fall into the bracket after they have done their house, private pension and savings. Do they get their pension then ?
 
JRW2 said:
So Spiderman thinks that public spending on state pensions is more important than spending on curbing illegal immigration. What a strange chap he must be.😳
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If you read my post, if there is a political will to do so, illegal immigration can be curbed at a fraction of the cost it is now. Really isn’t difficult to understand.
 
cryrst said:
What finances should someone at pension age have to be able to not need a pension ? Many will live till say 85 so that’s 18 years at ? k per year to have a half decent life. You may be sorted but millions are not even if they are not in the ‘poverty’ bracket. What if these not in the bracket fall into the bracket after they have done their house, private pension and savings. Do they get their pension then ?
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They should just contact Silvertop for a handout, I’m sure he would oblige 😂
 
silvertop said:
No you didn't. That is the great lie the props up the pension system.

Every penny in tax you paid was used to pay for public services you enjoyed at the time.

Your NI was used to cover sickness, unemployment etc. The clue is in the word "insurance".

The pension system was necessary in 1948 but is unnecessary in its application now. There are 12.9 million people in receipt of state pension (AND GROWING FAST) but only 1.9 million pensioners in poverty (who should receive benefit).

The disposable income of pensioners shot passed the waged many years ago. Pensioners enjoy roughly £1000 more a month than the waged than 10 years ago. Ever wonder why your visit to a new car showroom only has people your age; or why every foreign holiday you have feels like a Darby and Joan Club outing?

The state pension has become a sacred cow that cannot be removed because every selfish recipient votes.

And the word selfish is apt. If you want the greatest complaints about immigration, the loudest voices are from those of pensionable age. Just check this site. I don't disagree with the sentiment. But while you all insist on policies to curb illegal immigration to be made a priority over all other public expenditure, the one exception is the state pension that you personally receive.

It rather devalues your argument if you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is.

I work and am happy to pay more tax to fund it. Will you similarly accept a reduction in your state pension to achieve the same outcome?
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1 in 5 new cars are purchased on Motobalilty scheme ?
 
I'm fully expecting a budget for the friends of the labour party.

Hit the banks and other corporations with tax rises. Tick

Do nothing about soaring public debt, well actually borrow more, let some other government down the line sort it out. Tick

Do nothing about the those who don't work, unless your pensioner of course when you may get hit. The useless and the feckless can just carry on. Tick

Bung the pubic sector a few more billions without asking for productivity improvements. Tick

Make lots of promises you don't intend to keep*

Let's see how close my guesses are.

*In fairness this applies to all governments.
 
Badger11 said:
I'm fully expecting a budget for the friends of the labour party.

Hit the banks and other corporations with tax rises. Tick

Do nothing about soaring public debt, well actually borrow more, let some other government down the line sort it out. Tick

Do nothing about the those who don't work, unless your pensioner of course when you may get hit. The useless and the feckless can just carry on. Tick

Bung the pubic sector a few more billions without asking for productivity improvements. Tick

Make lots of promises you don't intend to keep*

Let's see how close my guesses are.

*In fairness this applies to all governments.
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The bond market will be a good indicator
 
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