Stirlingsays
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It's better to burn out than to fade away.
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Hrolf The Ganger
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That's not the point. It is a simple choice between Labour and Reform. What I'm happy with has nothing to do with it.
I'm sure I would see eye to eye with Rupert Lowe on many subjects, but his party only increases the risk of another Labour government. Restore can only succeed by a Reform failure in the best case scenario.
The Reform party of electioneering could be very different in government in either direction. It is a journey we must take. Repatriating 'British' citizens and all that is a pipe dream right now. The first thing we must do is stop the rot.
cryrst
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Not one interviewer, not one reporter, not one tv presenter has addressed the elephants in the room.
Immigration, NI hikes causing job losses , green s*** and the 60 k extra PIP per month and benefits being more lucrative than working. Why not even ask the MP being interviewed any of this.? Today someone was bleating about streeting sorting out times for ambulances and waiting times etc for the nhs. A bad analogy but Like criminals repeat offending only the same people using the nhs or calling ambulances will notice.
9 out of 10 of us won’t notice so as of the present who gives a s***. TBH.
Getting rid of HMOs and hotels for immigrants is a smokescreen to give them houses that other families have waited years for. This is the s*** many are pissed off with and they are blind to it.
Maybe the public are the one eyed men and they don’t like us being kings!
Immigration, NI hikes causing job losses , green s*** and the 60 k extra PIP per month and benefits being more lucrative than working. Why not even ask the MP being interviewed any of this.? Today someone was bleating about streeting sorting out times for ambulances and waiting times etc for the nhs. A bad analogy but Like criminals repeat offending only the same people using the nhs or calling ambulances will notice.
9 out of 10 of us won’t notice so as of the present who gives a s***. TBH.
Getting rid of HMOs and hotels for immigrants is a smokescreen to give them houses that other families have waited years for. This is the s*** many are pissed off with and they are blind to it.
Maybe the public are the one eyed men and they don’t like us being kings!
Stirlingsays
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It's the point because why should I care about Reform beating Labour if the end result gives us the same thing?
Should I really be excited for another five years of neo liberalism.....just because we won't have woke shoved up our arses.
I mean, if Restore aren't anywhere come election year I'll probably vote Reform but I won't be excited for it. I'll always vote for the right wing option because I'm fundamentally against modern establishment social liberalism.
But in some ways Farage's government won't be that different from Labour.......He'll still hold his nose at Robinson won't he.
You have a go at Lowe but you probably agree with him more on policy than you do Farage. Why be bothered until election year.
You say it's a pipedream.....I say it's more a pipedream to think it can be done further down the line with another ten years of demographic change. It's a pipedream to think that you can do any of this with the current establishment running the current institutions.
It's Lowe or bust......I'm willing to take that ride.
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Stirlingsays
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If Burham doesn't win in Makerfield, he could end up also losing Labour the major seat in Manchester to Reform of the Greens and still end up without a seat with which to challenge Starmer.
That would be rather comic.....Is he popular enough to win in Makerfield?
That would be rather comic.....Is he popular enough to win in Makerfield?
NEILLO
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He will be a disaster as a PM.
As I've written before, much as I don't like Starmer, the alternatives are far worse.
If Burnham gets in that's good news for Nigel Farage.
By the way, a '' strong NHS '' ? What's that exactly ? It's not been fit for purpose for years. Governments from both sides can chuck all the money at it they like but it's too bloated to succeed.
Willo
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I just have a 'Feeling in my water' that if, as expected', Burnham's contests the seat he will emerge victorious because of his personal popularity in those parts , the fact that there will be a different dynamic in the minds of the electorate and that Makerfield is historically a safe Labour constituency.
Should I be proved wrong, I shall be delighted.
Should I be proved wrong, I shall be delighted.
NEILLO
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I think his popularity in Manchester is being over stated - I know people ( sorry, folk ) up there that think of him as Londoners think of Khan
Willo
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I thought he was viewed as "King of the North" and popular in those parts.
He has been elected Mayor of Greater Manchester three times.
By Christmas you will look upon Sir Keir Starmer with real love and affection as Burnham rinses you.
Strong N.H.S. is a return to the glory days of Aneurin Bevan the founder of the N.H.S. and the principle of free at the point of use.
He pursued the case of the Hillsborough victims with impressive vigour and has challenged the lackadaisical Manchester Police on their poor behaviour to child protection and strip searching.
Without any doubt he walks on water in the north similar to the reverence given to Aneurin Bevan in the Welsh pit communities back in the day, there are many similarities I guess popularity and power are strange bedfellows.
Burnham is odds on to win Makerfield the Tories are 500 to 1 against another lost deposit!
The Dolphin
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I read comments from Powell - Deputy Labour leader - this morning about needing Burnham to head off Reform.
If ever you wanted to know how self serving they are - it is right there - no concern for the country or the population - just staying in power to continue to wreck the place.
She also says - " we have made mistakes" - no S*** Sherlock!
I detest them more than any party ever
If ever you wanted to know how self serving they are - it is right there - no concern for the country or the population - just staying in power to continue to wreck the place.
She also says - " we have made mistakes" - no S*** Sherlock!
I detest them more than any party ever
I wasn't at the press gathering you must know the press take the bit that they want.
NEILLO
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Seriously ?
So you don't think times have changed much since 1948....a truly Labour perspective - out of touch with reality.
Best to just ridicule the bit you want and ignore the rest ,surely you were an unprincipled member of the press corp.
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The Tories had practically identical proposals for a national health system. Bevan was nothing special - Ernie Bevin was though and they hated each other.
ASCPFC
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The interesting thing about post war Labour is the money spent on the nuclear deterrent, whilst everyone remained on rations. Then later, the secret wars. Secret from parliament and the people. However, I agree with what they did. Others may not.