Labour Party politics

[Stirlingsays]

Labour voters won't care for the woke agenda here. When will the party realise their supporters are not student's Union debating societies. That's for the greens. Create jobs and build council houses - give them to people in low paid jobs. Is it really that f***ing hard to understand? Labour are now officially more out of touch than the Tories.

State stock in housing was allowed to be raided significantly by the lower middle class looking to get on.....Sure it improved the lives of those doing it but the damage in numbers for vulnerable housing stock hasn't been repaired since, indeed it was carried on until it was deemed unsustainable.....All this with a background of the population getting older and less wage earners because of it and increasing the population by ten plus million.....great for slum landlords and terrible for the working class.

Unfortunately this was a big ticket policy started under Thatcher......Short sighted neoliberalism as usual, leave the problem for others to sort out down the line.....but they didn't sort it out and just worsened it.

 

[ASCPFC]

What they want to do is further their careers and live in an ego driven world of power trips.

They simply don't care what 'the people' want because their arrogance is all consuming.

It's their faux outrage and absolutely fake academic intelligence that bothers me. The party is at the lowest I can remember. There are no ideas except for staying in somehow. And that usually involves either leaking a really s*** idea, stealing other party's plans or just making sound bites that a three year old wouldn't believe. And then flim flamming anyway because they can't stick to anything.

 

[beak]

It's their faux outrage and absolutely fake academic intelligence that bothers me. The party is at the lowest I can remember. There are no ideas except for staying in somehow. And that usually involves either leaking a really s*** idea, stealing other party's plans or just making sound bites that a three year old wouldn't believe. And then flim flamming anyway because they can't stick to anything.

Your going a bit Victor Meldrew this afternoon, surely you must have a few more grievances . 😆

 

[Stirlingsays]

It's their faux outrage and absolutely fake academic intelligence that bothers me. The party is at the lowest I can remember. There are no ideas except for staying in somehow. And that usually involves either leaking a really s*** idea, stealing other party's plans or just making sound bites that a three year old wouldn't believe. And then flim flamming anyway because they can't stick to anything.

Yep, it's been said many times by many people, but it's startling just how low the quality of elite has fallen.

Its effect has been across the line, but the Labour party is the shining example of this decline.

 

[Matov]

But the left may stall the process until he is eligible, Rayner could stand and stretch things out and deprive Streeting of his victory.All parties are very hard to predict and have widely different structures.

This. Streeting had to go for it now before Burnham comes back into play.

Suspect he won't get it but is on the way out, no matter what, once Burnham is eligibe to stand. But there is some backstory on Burnham who, if memory serves me right, played the old 'resign to spend time wth my family' card a while ago. Usually cover for a bit of sleaze going on.

 

[ASCPFC]

This. Streeting had to go for it now before Burnham comes back into play.

Suspect he won't get it but is on the way out, no matter what, once Burnham is eligibe to stand. But there is some backstory on Burnham who, if memory serves me right, played the old 'resign to spend time wth my family' card a while ago. Usually cover for a bit of sleaze going on.

Luckily, there's none of that with Starmer or the press would be onto it in a flash.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

This. Streeting had to go for it now before Burnham comes back into play.

Suspect he won't get it but is on the way out, no matter what, once Burnham is eligibe to stand. But there is some backstory on Burnham who, if memory serves me right, played the old 'resign to spend time wth my family' card a while ago. Usually cover for a bit of sleaze going on.

Burnham is a cert to get a safe seat.

What is laughable is the idea that changing the PM will improve anything.
It will be the same old Labour.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Just the whole way Labour Government are conducting themselves says they have no idea about running themselves, let alone the country.

And the Tories are just unelectable after the Boris/Sunak/May tenures

Our elites are a failed generation

 

[beak]

Just the whole way Labour Government are conducting themselves says they have no idea about running themselves, let alone the country.

And the Tories are just unelectable after the Boris/Sunak/May tenures

Our elites are a failed generation

Oi! Don't forget Truss and the aborted budget, a reign of Lady Jane Gray size.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Oi! Don't forget Truss and the aborted budget, a reign of Lady Jane Gray size.

From Lady Jane to John Thomas in a couple of steps.

 

[Matov]

Burnham is a cert to get a safe seat.

What is laughable is the idea that changing the PM will improve anything.
It will be the same old Labour.

But is there a 'safe' seat out there? Can see talk of a Labour MP standing down to give him a shot but he only had a majority of 5,000 and Reform polled 50% accross the 8 wards it covers, with Labour trailing behind on 22%.

If the Greens stand, which they will, and the Tories look to play it down, then maybe not the shoe-in people think it will be.

Nothing is 'safe' in British politics anymore.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Burnham is a cert to get a safe seat.

What is laughable is the idea that changing the PM will improve anything.
It will be the same old Labour.

They seem to view the problem as communication.

I know why they think that but that's only about thirty percent of the problem, but they can't admit to anything else because if Starmer were popular they would be cock-a-hoop because they agree with much of what the actual policies have been.

In fact it's probably only Streeting who would be more right wing.....in a fiscal sense....than Starmer with everybody else representing no real change or going even further left.

They would all have agreed with what he did with Southport and what's he's doing about Robinson's rally coming up.

Left wing state authoritarian.......Mind you the Tories were exactly the same in regards to Robinson.....Some might say worse because it betrayed a sizable amount of their base back then.

 

[silvertop]

Labour voters won't care for the woke agenda here. When will the party realise their supporters are not student's Union debating societies. That's for the greens. Create jobs and build council houses - give them to people in low paid jobs. Is it really that f***ing hard to understand? Labour are now officially more out of touch than the Tories.

London metropolitan elite.

Keir Hardy must be turning in his grave.

 

[ASCPFC]

But is there a 'safe' seat out there? Can see talk of a Labour MP standing down to give him a shot but he only had a majority of 5,000 and Reform polled 50% accross the 8 wards it covers, with Labour trailing behind on 22%.

If the Greens stand, which they will, and the Tories look to play it down, then maybe not the shoe-in people think it will be.

Nothing is 'safe' in British politics anymore.

I agree, Reform could win as a big "f*** you" to the government from the voters. The coup de grace so to speak.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

But is there a 'safe' seat out there? Can see talk of a Labour MP standing down to give him a shot but he only had a majority of 5,000 and Reform polled 50% accross the 8 wards it covers, with Labour trailing behind on 22%.

If the Greens stand, which they will, and the Tories look to play it down, then maybe not the shoe-in people think it will be.

Nothing is 'safe' in British politics anymore.

I agree there. It would be a risk but one that Burnham will take.
He will run on a ticket of restoring Labour to its roots, blah blah blah. It's laughable stuff, but some will be dumb enough to believe it.
It would be self destruct city if Reform get in. That would be a day to savour.

 

[Matov]

It would be self destruct city if Reform get in. That would be a day to savour.

As you know, I have a very low opinion of Farage but just to see the Labour reaction if Reform do manage to prevent Burnham from winning might be worth it.

However, it would be magnified if Restore, perhaps fielding a very HIGH profile name as candidate managed to win it and then the melt down would be beyond legendary. Suspect this is just a pie-in-the-sky day dream and suspect that the best bet might be to vote tactically in this one.

Oddly enough, I suspect it is the Greens who hold the key to this. Because if they really go for it then they will take votes from Labour.

Potentially the most important by-election this century. And certainly the one with the most potential scheaduenfreaud.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

As you know, I have a very low opinion but just to see the Labour reaction if Reform do manage to prevent Burnham from winning.

However, it would be magnified if Restore, perhaps fielding a very HIGH profile name as candidate managed to win it and then the melt down would be beyond legendary. Suspect this is just a pie-in-the-sky day dream and suspect that the best bet might be to vote tactically in this one.

Oddly enough, I suspect it is the Greens who hold the key to this. Because if they really go for it then they will take votes from Labour.

Potentially the most important by-election this century. And certainly the one with the most potential scheaduenfreaud.

Fantasy land. If they contest it and get as many votes as Reform lose to Labour by, then maybe you will finally understand why Restore could be a godsend to Labour and definitely not a ticket to your right wing utopia.

 

[Matov]

Fantasy land. If they contest it and get as many votes as Reform lose to Labour by, then maybe you will finally understand why Restore could be a godsend to Labour and definitely not a ticket to your right wing utopia.

Never denied the fantastical aspect of it. And probably a little too soon. But if Restore could put forward a VERY high profile candidate, then...no. Not going down that road. LOL.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Fantasy land. If they contest it and get as many votes as Reform lose to Labour by, then maybe you will finally understand why Restore could be a godsend to Labour and definitely not a ticket to your right wing utopia.

Yeah but Hrolf you're happy with a parliament of Thatcherism under Farage.

That's all Reform is going to give us......Just 90s Tories, nothing Major happens, if you forgive the pun.

Why would anyone worrying about the future of their white kids vote for Reform over Restore?

Reform aren't going to do anything to change the demographic direction of travel. Farage has said that he's not interested in any serious levels of deportation. He's not going to change anything, like something his second in command said, he'll be pushing up daises when it gets really bad.

So we get Labour.....very unlikely anyway.....What's the difference....the result ends up being the same.....just maybe five years earlier.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Never denied the fantastical aspect of it. And probably a little too soon. But if Restore could put forward a VERY high profile candidate, then...no. Not going down that road. LOL.

I don't think any one in Restore is 'high profile'.