Starmer's efforts to purge your fellow jew haters still eating at you?
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NEILLO
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Well, they are.
Streeting and Kyle went to the cinema together last week - as per Peter Kyle on ‘ Politics Live ‘ the other day.
Didn’t specify which row they sat in…
Teddy Eagle
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...but it wasn't the front one.
I was a bit tongue in cheek ,they do not enjoy much privacy.
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'It's desperately depressing, but I'm just about coping'. 🙂 🙂
Jeremy Corbyn on Starmer woes.
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Jeremy Corbyn on Starmer woes.
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Looks like everything is prepped for Streeting to resign tomorrow. Big push against Starmer coming. Pretty confident that Streeting will resign but will it be enough to topple the human skid-mark? Starmer seems intent on hanging on for dear life so lets see.
I reckon if Starmer manages to make the weekend without a serious contender emerging then he is probably safe until the party conference season but lets see.
Ultimately, none of it makes a difference though.
I reckon if Starmer manages to make the weekend without a serious contender emerging then he is probably safe until the party conference season but lets see.
Ultimately, none of it makes a difference though.
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Are they referring to the bonds, because that was the whole Truss thing, that she was destroying the economy......Yet since bond rates have been higher and there was nothing like the same attack.....wasn't even aware of it until I looked into it.
I can't help but conclude that the only reason you have the knives out for Starmer from liberals is that they regard him as losing to Reform and they want to try a new face. If Labour were leading in the polls, they wouldn't have any significant issue, because they all basically agree with him on policy.
I don't watch the BBC as I don't pay their license.
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Today Programme. Too posh for TV news!
You might be right on us centrist types. Starmer has done no better nor worse than the last 3 incumbents but his communication skills are non existent and his connectivity with you and I is zero. They need much better to take on Reform.
Thus, if the former DPM takes over, having just settled her issue with the taxman, Farage might as well start measuring up number 10 for curtains and carpets.
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Wes Streeting resigns as health secretary - his letter in full
Health Secretary Wes Streeting has announced his resignation from government.
www.bbc.co.uk
Teddy Eagle
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Another "junior bag carrier"?Wes Streeting resigns as health secretary - his letter in full
Health Secretary Wes Streeting has announced his resignation from government.
Not a senior position,Chancellor,Home Sec, Foreign Sec. Last week he was professing to care deeply about the N.H.S. A close ally said that he has not got the eighty -one M.P.s required.He will try to make an early leadership bid before Burnham can stand as Burnham would wipe the floor with him with an N.H.S. broom. 😉
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That's encouraging. The best candidate isn't actually eligible.
But the left may stall the process until he is eligible, Rayner could stand and stretch things out and deprive Streeting of his victory.All parties are very hard to predict and have widely different structures.
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OK but the point remains that with Starmer's entire cabinet to choose from the best candidate isn't in it.
Yes. Burnham will open the immigration floodgates without doubt.
I vaguely remember a Tory (Patton) who was the Party favourite when Major became Leader/Prime Minister and was made Governor Hong Kong and therefore ineligible. These things happen not new.
Andy Burnham is rumoured to be ready to attempt a Westminster comeback yet again – and his eye is understood to be on the leadership.
Allies of the Greater Manchester Mayor have claimed he has found a Labour MP ready to stand aside so he can re-enter Parliament and challenge Sir Keir Starmer for the party leadership.
This first step is crucial, as Burnham cannot stand in a leadership contest without a Westminster seat. In January, Labour’s ruling National Executive Committee blocked an attempt to secure him a place in the Commons at the Gorton and Denton by-election.
Speaking on BBC Radio Manchester in March 2025, following Rachel Reeves’s Spring Statement, he said the package – which targeted personal independence payments, carer’s allowance and universal credit – felt like “the wrong choice.”
He added that he struggled “to believe there will be no detrimental effect that further makes the lives of disabled people harder”.
However, Burnham stopped short of calling for a full reversal at the time.
The Mayor told the BBC that “the system does need fundamental reform and we have a large amount of agreement with the Government on that” – but he argued the pace and scale of the cuts went too far.
Burnham’s position implies that, while he might seek some reform of the welfare system, he is unlikely to continue the scale of cuts the current Government is pursuing.
His central argument, developed over more than a decade, is that the NHS and social care must be fully integrated into a single publicly run system, free at the point of use – what he calls a National Care Service.
Burnham has said that forcing hospitals and care providers to compete for contracts is “an alien ideology” that fragments care.
As Mayor of Greater Manchester, he has piloted this model through the city-region’s integrated health and social care partnership, overseeing a £6bn budget.
In March 2026, he secured a deal to appoint the UK’s first health commissioner, jointly accountable to him and the health secretary.
As health secretary in 2009, Burnham introduced the “preferred provider” policy, making the NHS the first choice for new contracts over private firms.
A Burnham premiership would almost certainly look to extend that principle nationally – a sharp departure from Wes Streeting’s willingness to use private sector capacity to cut waiting times.
Speaking to Sky News in June 2025, he said: “We’ve overtaxed people’s work and we’ve undertaxed people’s assets and wealth and that balance should be put more right.”
His proposed remedies are specific: a revaluation of council tax bands – unchanged since 1991 – land value taxation reform, and replacing inheritance tax with a “care levy” to fund a National Care Service, with the wealthiest contributing the most.
But it is his comments on borrowing that have caused the most turbulence.
In an interview with The New Statesman in September 2025, Burnham said politicians needed to “get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets”.
Burnham at a fringe event at the Labour Party conference in September 2025. The Mayor may soon return to Parliament via a by-election to launch his leadership bid (Photo: Paul Ellis/AFP)
Starmer responded the following day, likening his proposals to the Liz Truss mini-Budget of 2022 which he said had been “a disaster for working people”.
The Prime Minister added: “The same would be true if you abandoned fiscal rules in favour of spending.”
Burnham pushed back at an event at Labour’s Liverpool conference, saying he would “stick to fiscal rules”.
He went further in February 2026, telling the Resolution Foundation think-tank that he had “never said Britain should ignore the bond market”, and insisted his words had been “twisted”.
The episode nonetheless points to a vulnerability. His calls for renationalisation, higher wealth taxes and greater public control of essential services could spook financial markets.
Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme in November 2025, he said he agreed with Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood that “root-and-branch reform of the system” was needed, but added: “I do have a concern about leaving people without the ability to settle.”
He was particularly critical of Mahmood’s plan to quadruple the length of time asylum seekers must wait to gain permanent residency – from five to 20 years – with status reviews every two-and-a-half years.
Burnham said the policy would leave people “in a sense of limbo and unable to integrate”, and argued it would be “better to stick with the decision of long-term leave to remain”.
His overall position suggests he would pursue lower net migration figures less aggressively than the current administration, placing greater weight on the rights of those already in the country to settle and contribute.
In October 2023, the Mayor became one of the first senior Labour figures to call for a ceasefire, breaking with the party leadership alongside London Mayor Sadiq Khan and Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar.
He warned Starmer not to brand MPs who disagreed on the issue “as disloyal or as if they don’t care about innocent lives”.
In June 2025, Burnham joined three other party figures in urging the Government to recognise Palestinian statehood “without further delay or equivocation”. The Government did so in September.
On Europe, he has gone further than any of his rivals. Speaking at a fringe event at Labour’s Liverpool conference in September 2025, he said he hoped to see the UK rejoin the EU in his lifetime – a position well beyond the Government’s current reset – and has repeatedly described Brexit as a financial “disaster”.
As prime minister, that would probably mean a more assertive stance on Israel and Gaza than Starmer has taken, and greater ambition on the EU relationship than the current reset allows for.
Allies of the Greater Manchester Mayor have claimed he has found a Labour MP ready to stand aside so he can re-enter Parliament and challenge Sir Keir Starmer for the party leadership.
This first step is crucial, as Burnham cannot stand in a leadership contest without a Westminster seat. In January, Labour’s ruling National Executive Committee blocked an attempt to secure him a place in the Commons at the Gorton and Denton by-election.
Against welfare cuts
Burnham has been among the most vocal Labour figures to oppose the Government’s welfare cuts.Speaking on BBC Radio Manchester in March 2025, following Rachel Reeves’s Spring Statement, he said the package – which targeted personal independence payments, carer’s allowance and universal credit – felt like “the wrong choice.”
He added that he struggled “to believe there will be no detrimental effect that further makes the lives of disabled people harder”.
However, Burnham stopped short of calling for a full reversal at the time.
The Mayor told the BBC that “the system does need fundamental reform and we have a large amount of agreement with the Government on that” – but he argued the pace and scale of the cuts went too far.
Burnham’s position implies that, while he might seek some reform of the welfare system, he is unlikely to continue the scale of cuts the current Government is pursuing.
‘National Care Service’
Health policy is where Burnham – who was health secretary between 2009 and 2010 under Gordon Brown – has the clearest record.His central argument, developed over more than a decade, is that the NHS and social care must be fully integrated into a single publicly run system, free at the point of use – what he calls a National Care Service.
Burnham has said that forcing hospitals and care providers to compete for contracts is “an alien ideology” that fragments care.
As Mayor of Greater Manchester, he has piloted this model through the city-region’s integrated health and social care partnership, overseeing a £6bn budget.
In March 2026, he secured a deal to appoint the UK’s first health commissioner, jointly accountable to him and the health secretary.
As health secretary in 2009, Burnham introduced the “preferred provider” policy, making the NHS the first choice for new contracts over private firms.
A Burnham premiership would almost certainly look to extend that principle nationally – a sharp departure from Wes Streeting’s willingness to use private sector capacity to cut waiting times.
In favour of a wealth tax, less dependency on bond markets
Burnham’s most consistent economic argument is that Britain taxes work too heavily and wealth too lightly.Speaking to Sky News in June 2025, he said: “We’ve overtaxed people’s work and we’ve undertaxed people’s assets and wealth and that balance should be put more right.”
His proposed remedies are specific: a revaluation of council tax bands – unchanged since 1991 – land value taxation reform, and replacing inheritance tax with a “care levy” to fund a National Care Service, with the wealthiest contributing the most.
But it is his comments on borrowing that have caused the most turbulence.
In an interview with The New Statesman in September 2025, Burnham said politicians needed to “get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets”.
Starmer responded the following day, likening his proposals to the Liz Truss mini-Budget of 2022 which he said had been “a disaster for working people”.
The Prime Minister added: “The same would be true if you abandoned fiscal rules in favour of spending.”
Burnham pushed back at an event at Labour’s Liverpool conference, saying he would “stick to fiscal rules”.
He went further in February 2026, telling the Resolution Foundation think-tank that he had “never said Britain should ignore the bond market”, and insisted his words had been “twisted”.
The episode nonetheless points to a vulnerability. His calls for renationalisation, higher wealth taxes and greater public control of essential services could spook financial markets.
Settlement for migrants already here
Burnham has been critical of the Government’s increasingly hardline stance on immigration.Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme in November 2025, he said he agreed with Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood that “root-and-branch reform of the system” was needed, but added: “I do have a concern about leaving people without the ability to settle.”
He was particularly critical of Mahmood’s plan to quadruple the length of time asylum seekers must wait to gain permanent residency – from five to 20 years – with status reviews every two-and-a-half years.
Burnham said the policy would leave people “in a sense of limbo and unable to integrate”, and argued it would be “better to stick with the decision of long-term leave to remain”.
His overall position suggests he would pursue lower net migration figures less aggressively than the current administration, placing greater weight on the rights of those already in the country to settle and contribute.
Pro-Gaza, anti-Brexit
Burnham’s foreign policy positions are more developed than his rivals’, shaped partly by his public break with Starmer over Israel’s war in Gaza.In October 2023, the Mayor became one of the first senior Labour figures to call for a ceasefire, breaking with the party leadership alongside London Mayor Sadiq Khan and Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar.
He warned Starmer not to brand MPs who disagreed on the issue “as disloyal or as if they don’t care about innocent lives”.
In June 2025, Burnham joined three other party figures in urging the Government to recognise Palestinian statehood “without further delay or equivocation”. The Government did so in September.
On Europe, he has gone further than any of his rivals. Speaking at a fringe event at Labour’s Liverpool conference in September 2025, he said he hoped to see the UK rejoin the EU in his lifetime – a position well beyond the Government’s current reset – and has repeatedly described Brexit as a financial “disaster”.
As prime minister, that would probably mean a more assertive stance on Israel and Gaza than Starmer has taken, and greater ambition on the EU relationship than the current reset allows for.
Teddy Eagle
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Doesn't have to be new. Of 22 members of the cabinet not one is seen as preferable to an outsider.
ASCPFC
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Labour voters won't care for the woke agenda here. When will the party realise their supporters are not student's Union debating societies. That's for the greens. Create jobs and build council houses - give them to people in low paid jobs. Is it really that f***ing hard to understand? Labour are now officially more out of touch than the Tories.Andy Burnham is rumoured to be ready to attempt a Westminster comeback yet again – and his eye is understood to be on the leadership.
Allies of the Greater Manchester Mayor have claimed he has found a Labour MP ready to stand aside so he can re-enter Parliament and challenge Sir Keir Starmer for the party leadership.
This first step is crucial, as Burnham cannot stand in a leadership contest without a Westminster seat. In January, Labour’s ruling National Executive Committee blocked an attempt to secure him a place in the Commons at the Gorton and Denton by-election.
Against welfare cuts
Burnham has been among the most vocal Labour figures to oppose the Government’s welfare cuts.
Speaking on BBC Radio Manchester in March 2025, following Rachel Reeves’s Spring Statement, he said the package – which targeted personal independence payments, carer’s allowance and universal credit – felt like “the wrong choice.”
He added that he struggled “to believe there will be no detrimental effect that further makes the lives of disabled people harder”.
However, Burnham stopped short of calling for a full reversal at the time.
The Mayor told the BBC that “the system does need fundamental reform and we have a large amount of agreement with the Government on that” – but he argued the pace and scale of the cuts went too far.
Burnham’s position implies that, while he might seek some reform of the welfare system, he is unlikely to continue the scale of cuts the current Government is pursuing.
‘National Care Service’
Health policy is where Burnham – who was health secretary between 2009 and 2010 under Gordon Brown – has the clearest record.
His central argument, developed over more than a decade, is that the NHS and social care must be fully integrated into a single publicly run system, free at the point of use – what he calls a National Care Service.
Burnham has said that forcing hospitals and care providers to compete for contracts is “an alien ideology” that fragments care.
As Mayor of Greater Manchester, he has piloted this model through the city-region’s integrated health and social care partnership, overseeing a £6bn budget.
In March 2026, he secured a deal to appoint the UK’s first health commissioner, jointly accountable to him and the health secretary.
As health secretary in 2009, Burnham introduced the “preferred provider” policy, making the NHS the first choice for new contracts over private firms.
A Burnham premiership would almost certainly look to extend that principle nationally – a sharp departure from Wes Streeting’s willingness to use private sector capacity to cut waiting times.
In favour of a wealth tax, less dependency on bond markets
Burnham’s most consistent economic argument is that Britain taxes work too heavily and wealth too lightly.
Speaking to Sky News in June 2025, he said: “We’ve overtaxed people’s work and we’ve undertaxed people’s assets and wealth and that balance should be put more right.”
His proposed remedies are specific: a revaluation of council tax bands – unchanged since 1991 – land value taxation reform, and replacing inheritance tax with a “care levy” to fund a National Care Service, with the wealthiest contributing the most.
But it is his comments on borrowing that have caused the most turbulence.
In an interview with The New Statesman in September 2025, Burnham said politicians needed to “get beyond this thing of being in hock to the bond markets”.
Burnham at a fringe event at the Labour Party conference in September 2025. The Mayor may soon return to Parliament via a by-election to launch his leadership bid (Photo: Paul Ellis/AFP)
Starmer responded the following day, likening his proposals to the Liz Truss mini-Budget of 2022 which he said had been “a disaster for working people”.
The Prime Minister added: “The same would be true if you abandoned fiscal rules in favour of spending.”
Burnham pushed back at an event at Labour’s Liverpool conference, saying he would “stick to fiscal rules”.
He went further in February 2026, telling the Resolution Foundation think-tank that he had “never said Britain should ignore the bond market”, and insisted his words had been “twisted”.
The episode nonetheless points to a vulnerability. His calls for renationalisation, higher wealth taxes and greater public control of essential services could spook financial markets.
Settlement for migrants already here
Burnham has been critical of the Government’s increasingly hardline stance on immigration.
Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme in November 2025, he said he agreed with Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood that “root-and-branch reform of the system” was needed, but added: “I do have a concern about leaving people without the ability to settle.”
He was particularly critical of Mahmood’s plan to quadruple the length of time asylum seekers must wait to gain permanent residency – from five to 20 years – with status reviews every two-and-a-half years.
Burnham said the policy would leave people “in a sense of limbo and unable to integrate”, and argued it would be “better to stick with the decision of long-term leave to remain”.
His overall position suggests he would pursue lower net migration figures less aggressively than the current administration, placing greater weight on the rights of those already in the country to settle and contribute.
Pro-Gaza, anti-Brexit
Burnham’s foreign policy positions are more developed than his rivals’, shaped partly by his public break with Starmer over Israel’s war in Gaza.
In October 2023, the Mayor became one of the first senior Labour figures to call for a ceasefire, breaking with the party leadership alongside London Mayor Sadiq Khan and Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar.
He warned Starmer not to brand MPs who disagreed on the issue “as disloyal or as if they don’t care about innocent lives”.
In June 2025, Burnham joined three other party figures in urging the Government to recognise Palestinian statehood “without further delay or equivocation”. The Government did so in September.
On Europe, he has gone further than any of his rivals. Speaking at a fringe event at Labour’s Liverpool conference in September 2025, he said he hoped to see the UK rejoin the EU in his lifetime – a position well beyond the Government’s current reset – and has repeatedly described Brexit as a financial “disaster”.
As prime minister, that would probably mean a more assertive stance on Israel and Gaza than Starmer has taken, and greater ambition on the EU relationship than the current reset allows for.
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What they want to do is further their careers and live in an ego driven world of power trips.
They simply don't care what 'the people' want because their arrogance is all consuming.