Labour Party politics

[georgenorman]

I actually agree with smaller government and lower taxes.

However, I always saw EU bureaucracy, the relative lack of democracy (it is not wholly undemocratic) and effective accountability as a small price to pay to be part of the trade club.

Now commerce and industry is struggling to cope with the added cost and bureaucracy of exporting goods and services to our biggest trading block.

And the halt of free movement of labour is actually insane. Pensioners were the largest voting block to leave. They are part of a shifting and scary demographic where their numbers are swelling but the working population that pays their pensions is dwindling. Only so much slack will be taken by automation and AI. The skill gap was filled by literate EU citizens who came in plenty and left in lean. Their labour contributed to national wealth, filled the coffers of the state, and put food on the table for those who voted to keep them out!

Reading that, you should be for Brexit. Being part of a price-rigging, protectionist racket at the expense of not being able to trade freely with the rest of the world is not a club that any rational person would want to be part of.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

What is a 'white van man type' ? Are you Emily Thornberry in disguise?

They're not popular.

Labour's Emily Thornberry quits over 'snobby' tweet

Labour's Emily Thornberry resigns from Labour's front bench after sending a tweet during the Rochester and Strood by-election which is branded "snobby".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I am suggesting Reform would never get themselves into this position as it does not have a democratic structure

It is run by Farage as we're his other 😛arties,' and thus he is the arbiter of what happens throughout the organisation.

Other parties have democratic structures.

It's a big so what from me.

Things will evolve over time if Reform remain a major party.

 

[beak]

Nelson Mandela?

Might have to jail break.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Might have to jail break.

Might need a spot of resurrection too.

 

[orpingtoneagle]

What is a 'white van man type' ? Are you Emily Thornberry in disguise?

I think he means a gammon......

Not a fan of white vans right now after one scraped down the side of the car and did not stop......

 

[georgenorman]

I think he means a gammon......

Not a fan of white vans right now after one scraped down the side of the car and did not stop......

Why doesn’t he make his racist comments clear then - and you for that matter.

 

[beak]

Might need a spot of resurrection too.

For Farage ,yes.

 

[orpingtoneagle]

Why doesn’t he make his racist comments clear then - and you for that matter.

Is Gammon a race?.Like Islam?.

 

[georgenorman]

Is Gammon a race?.Like Islam?.

The use of the term is a derogatory term used to describe white men, so is racist, as of course you know full well.

 

[cryrst]

The use of the term is a derogatory term used to describe white men, so is racist, as of course you know full well.

Can’t be racist against whites don’t ya know. Not one groomer has been racist. Just the whole f***ing lot of them !!!

 

[Stirlingsays]

Sorry about the slow response. I'm in Venice at the moment doing Venice things.

No worries mate, hope it's great out there. I'm been out all day and only been in around an hour.....lad had four fillings at hospital....took all bloody day.

I get where you are coming from, but I don't agree that Reform will just be business as usual. If they want to be a party that lasts past one election and past Farage, then they have to deliver and they must know it. If on the other hand, they screw the electorate and go off into the sunset, then we have gained little but lost little except time. We would certainly be no better off under Labour and probably worse off, so it's a safe bet for me unless you think that Restore can win an election.

My personal view is that when Farage retires from it then Reform folds, much as what happened to UKip and Brexit party. Both Reform and Restore are about the leaders......But Lowe's message resolates more with young right wingers because its far more interested in their future than Reform is.

If Restore looked like they were coming up on the rails come '29, then I might take a punt, but right now we are looking at least worst options and I suspect strongly that it will remain that way.

I have zero issues with that, I should think it's almost certain we will be voting the same way come 29, whoever it is.

If we can slow immigration to small numbers, deport illegals and actually stop the boats, then that will be progress. Beyond that, there must be a reversal of DEI and a change in attitude on law and order.

Fingers crossed.

All these things are well within the powers of government if the ruling party has the will and the numbers. The biggest hurdle will be money. Farage made Brexit happen with the backing of some of the Right. He was a constant thorn in the side of the EU. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt this time.

Money plus institutions.....Farage or whoever has to sack a lot of people who will act as institutional inertia. deliberately slowing and blocking plans. He has to have their replacements ready.....He might have to change a law or two first though.

He will get nowhere working with the system.

After what will be 19 years of failure, how bad could Reform be?

The expectations will be high after so many years of social liberalism......Personally I think Farage will coast and enjoy being PM.....I don't think he's anything like as hardcore as the country.....and the next generation needs.

But hey, anything is better than the people who hate us.

Rupert Lowe has a lot of thinking to do. Does he carry on his egotistical revenge attempt or does he throw in with the rest of the right and go tactical? The conversation has to be had if the numbers are looking close.
I doubt either party want to do a deal with the Tories, but keeping Labour and the loony Greens out is the priority. Farage will go it alone if the omens look favourable. I'd be happy to see some Restore representation, but that remains to be seen.

He knocking on.....I think he views 29 as his last chance.....but ultimately I don't see him stopping a Reform government in election year if that's what the figures show.

 

[orpingtoneagle]

The use of the term is a derogatory term used to describe white men, so is racist, as of course you know full well.

I would argue that it is derogatory but that does not mean it's racist. Your sensitivity conflates two things that need not being connected, as not all.white men are necessarily gammons and indeed I think some women can also be gammons.

 

[orpingtoneagle]

No worries mate, hope it's great out there. I'm been out all day and only been in around an hour.....lad had four fillings at hospital....took all bloody day.



My personal view is that when Farage retires from it then Reform folds, much as what happened to UKip and Brexit party. Both Reform and Restore are about the leaders......But Lowe's message resolates more with young right wingers because its far more interested in their future than Reform is.



I have zero issues with that, I should think it's almost certain we will be voting the same way come 29, whoever it is.



Fingers crossed.



Money plus institutions.....Farage or whoever has to sack a lot of people who will act as institutional inertia. deliberately slowing and blocking plans. He has to have their replacements ready.....He might have to change a law or two first though.

He will get nowhere working with the system.



The expectations will be high after so many years of social liberalism......Personally I think Farage will coast and enjoy being PM.....I don't think he's anything like as hardcore as the country.....and the next generation needs.

But hey, anything is better than the people who hate us.



He knocking on.....I think he views 29 as his last chance.....but ultimately I don't see him stopping a Reform government in election year if that's what the figures show.

I think you are probably right about Reform.and Farages role in it but the corporate structure that is Reform is simply a re naming of the other parties.

I think it may well continue but in a different form as right now Nigel wants and has to.be top dog.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think you are probably right about Reform.and Garages role in it but the corporate structure that is Reform is simply a re naming of the other parties.

I think it may well continue but in a different form as right now Nigel wants and has to.be top dog.

Yeah Ukip is still going but it's not really active in the public's conscience anymore.

I think there is a lot in the personalities involved.....Labour and the Tories are massive machines with lots of infrastructure already built in every region. The new parties don't have that.

Then again, both Labour and the Tories have disappointed the public so much that the argument can be made that both of them are toast and that by 29 it could be Reform and the Greens.....though I'd prefer Lowe personally.

 

[NEILLO]

And against the rules pockets £5 million and laughs in lieu of any explanation,shades of i'm all right Jack.

I didn’t realise that Farage had been found guilty although he has invited an investigation into that - must have missed it

 

[HKOwen]

And against the rules pockets £5 million and laughs in lieu of any explanation,shades of i'm all right Jack.

I thought it was under investigation as tro whether it breached the rules or not?

 

[HKOwen]

I think you are probably right about Reform.and Farages role in it but the corporate structure that is Reform is simply a re naming of the other parties.

I think it may well continue but in a different form as right now Nigel wants and has to.be top dog.

" rich millionaires "........risible