The Yes Minister scenario rings truer ,a few years ago now did you watch it. " The Minister need not worry about that" in other words like mushrooms keep them in the dark and feed them... err.. fertilizer.
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It’s timeless - so much of it rings true today
So the conclusion would b that Keir was duped by those rascally civil servants who protect the country after protecting their enhanced pensions, tea breaks and sliding up the promotion ladder an unproductive bloated bureaucracy this post could be endless.
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Too soon to assume that.
If we know and accept your comments about civil servants, it must also be acknowledged that Starmer never accepts personal responsibility for anything and is happy to throw others under the bus to save his own skin
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Mandelson was a political appointment. The FCO would never in a geological age have appointed a self serving creep like him to the top job. It would have been a diplomat who has risen to the top through decades of hard work and merit.
Mandelson knows where the political bodies are buried not the civil service bodies.
That a civil servant who was not even in situ when the appointment was made has been forced to fall on his sword to protect his political masters who caused the issue is a disgrace.
Starmer should go save, as others say, he will be replaced by someone considerably worse at a time when even bland low grade continuity is preferable.
That explains the multiple car crash that is hindsight, in fact the root of this and many other problems. The civil servants once again came up with the answer that suited.
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Why was he even considered for the job? A well known wrong 'un who'd already been sacked twice wouldn't be on many short lists.
Rather like his grandfather who also blighted Labour for a number of years (GLC leader and many other posts) Herbert Morrison he manipulated himself into various jobs, Starmer's advisor was a "friend" of Mandelson and put his name forward, the civil service are a self serving clique and Starmer rather than appoint a Yes Minister character Starmer's Rage seems very genuine he really fell for the worst possible option.
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Ultimately, he chose Mendelson and should take responsibility for his own choices. The buck stops with the PM. No one is buying this.
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Keith Vaz also got hoofed out twice and yet slimed his odious way back.
Labour seems to attract those who know where the bodies are buried.
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They're always stabbing each other in the back. It is exactly like shouty student politics. Which is probably their backgrounds.
Every leader has two or three factions to deal with. I'd expect plenty of Labour to start jumping ship soon but not sure the Greens will want them.
Yes I couldn't agree more both Labour and Conservative parties are broad churches, you couldn't imagine a world where everyone was Willo surely, not everyone can swallow a Thesaurus for breakfast!
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Swallow? Consume, Ingest, eat, drink, devour, gulp, gobble, wolf, down, guzzle, swig, swill, imbibe, sip, polish off, bolt, scarf, gorge, lap, quaff or knock back, maybe.
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Gareth Wright (@therealgarethwright) on Threads
BREAKING NEWS: “Starmer denies knowing he was Prime Minister” Sir Kier Starmer has revealed that no one told him until last Tuesday he won the 2024 election and had become PM. He told Beth Rigby “I was totally kept in the dark by my officials. I’m really angry about it.”
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To beat Willo you will need words of a Sesquipedalian length , the rule is never use a small word unless a gargantuan word is unavailable!👍
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Continue to believe that if it gives you comfort.
I do that is what I voted for and most people I know did.
You can never be certain why anyone votes for anything. All we can be certain of is that they voted that way.
Anyone else find it odd that this civil servant was sacked very quickly.
Forget the vetting thing, I just find it odd that time after time civil servants screw up in a big way and yet they are defended by politicians and their unions and other civil servants. "they have been disciplined internally or due process...."
And yet when it suits the government they can sack them just like that.
I just find it odd, just saying.
Forget the vetting thing, I just find it odd that time after time civil servants screw up in a big way and yet they are defended by politicians and their unions and other civil servants. "they have been disciplined internally or due process...."
And yet when it suits the government they can sack them just like that.
I just find it odd, just saying.
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One thing to do is look into the next job they get and who that could be linked to. In other words, they'll probably get some other government or semi state job, or a job with a party donor's company.
Within Labour circles he was a very unpopular figure and the gun was pre- loaded.