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ASCPFC said:
It's in front of him like any traditional fellow. You prefer to pay more? He works and is entitled to it. No doubt, Starmer would take it away if he could get in. Police have probably already warned him for racist talk.
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I went to a brewery very close to Spurs and paid well over £8 for a hazelnut stout many years ago. And I highly commend the Cask at Pimlico but you will need a second mortgage! Let's be honest and say the meaning of life will never be answered in a 'spoons!
 
www.theguardian.com

Revealed: Mandelson failed vetting but Foreign Office overruled decision

Guardian investigation uncovers decision by UK security officials to deny clearance before Mandelson took up role as US ambassador
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At least this makes a little more sense. Mandleson was clearly not suitable for the job from day 1 and the system, at least, seems to have recognised this.
 
Matov said:
www.theguardian.com

Revealed: Mandelson failed vetting but Foreign Office overruled decision

Guardian investigation uncovers decision by UK security officials to deny clearance before Mandelson took up role as US ambassador
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com



At least this makes a little more sense. Mandleson was clearly not suitable for the job from day 1 and the system, at least, seems to have recognised this.
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The news this morning is reporting that the PM only found out on Tuesday this week, after all the questions at PMQs and evidence given at the select committee, that's more than a stretch.
 
Badger11 said:
Why would a senior Civil Servant decide to approve a failed vetting candidate and not mention it to his own minister (Lammy) or apparently anyone in the cabinet. It stinks.
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That no one knew does seem impossible, I think Sir Olly will be back to the Select Committee very soon, just to add the very highest vetting process could be overwritten by a civil servant. And MI5?
 
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Badger11 said:
Why would a senior Civil Servant decide to approve a failed vetting candidate and not mention it to his own minister (Lammy) or apparently anyone in the cabinet. It stinks.
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Watch the old Yes Minister shows the civil Service run rings around ministers and take pride in baffling their expectations i thought a new born baby in swaddling clothes new that!
 
beak said:
Watch the old Yes Minister shows the civil Service run rings around ministers and take pride in baffling their expectations i thought a new born baby in swaddling clothes new that!
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I love that show and it's still relevant today.

The US Ambassador is the plum job in the diplomatic service and usually goes to a long serving diplomat whose paid he's dues in far away unglamorous places, for many years (s*** holes if you like). So it's often their last job before retiring as a thank you. These days it's not nearly as important as leaders just pick up the phone and talk to each other.

So I would have thought that when the PM nominated Mandelson the Foreign Office Civil Servants would be miffed it wasn't one of their own and would happily undermine the process. The only reason I can think of why this Foreign Office official overrode the failed vetting is that someone told him to.

When Harold Wilson appointed his son in law (TV Pundit Peter Jay) to the same post there was uproar in the FO at the time as he wasn't one of them.

That's why it stinks, someone is not being truthful here.
 
Badger11 said:
I love that show and it's still relevant today.

The US Ambassador is the plum job in the diplomatic service and usually goes to a long serving diplomat whose paid he's dues in far away unglamorous places, for many years (s*** holes if you like). So it's often their last job before retiring as a thank you. These days it's not nearly as important as leaders just pick up the phone and talk to each other.

So I would have thought that when the PM nominated Mandelson the Foreign Office Civil Servants would be miffed it wasn't one of their own and would happily undermine the process. The only reason I can think of why this Foreign Office official overrode the failed vetting is that someone told him to.

When Harold Wilson appointed his son in law (TV Pundit Peter Jay) to the same post there was uproar in the FO at the time as he wasn't one of them.

That's why it stinks, someone is not being truthful here.
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Well if going to S*** holes is a qualification then Mandelson is the man for the job!
 
Badger11 said:
I love that show and it's still relevant today.

The US Ambassador is the plum job in the diplomatic service and usually goes to a long serving diplomat whose paid he's dues in far away unglamorous places, for many years (s*** holes if you like). So it's often their last job before retiring as a thank you. These days it's not nearly as important as leaders just pick up the phone and talk to each other.

So I would have thought that when the PM nominated Mandelson the Foreign Office Civil Servants would be miffed it wasn't one of their own and would happily undermine the process. The only reason I can think of why this Foreign Office official overrode the failed vetting is that someone told him to.

When Harold Wilson appointed his son in law (TV Pundit Peter Jay) to the same post there was uproar in the FO at the time as he wasn't one of them.

That's why it stinks, someone is not being truthful here.
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It was Jim Callaghan not Harold
 
Key to this now is Olly Robbins. Clearly the fall guy. And due to give evidence next week. Supposedly 'furious' at being forced out of the Foreign Office.

Always need to keep one eye on where people like this go onto AFTER they leave Government. Thats how the system works. The lecture circuit, the consultancies, the NGO's etc. That is what tells you who was pulling the strings all along.

Suspect the fix is in already. But maybe we will all be surprised next week? Starmer clearly has a teflon quality but for how long?
 
When there's mention of a process failure here, I think what has happened is the announcement of the new Ambassador before the enhanced vetting was complete. And within the FO a decision to veto the failure has been taken. If that is vaguely accurate it might explain the process change that has been reported in the news.
 
In wanting Starmer to quit/be forced to quit it's a case of ' be careful what you wish for '.

Because there's even worse lining up to replace him.

However, this spineless toad of a man doesn't merit the office he holds.

He shouldn't survive the Mandelson affair but if he does the local elections will do for him anyway.
 
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