Labour Party politics

Matov said:
Look up the footage of Barry Gardiner spouting off last night. A bloody good indicator that there are moves afoot to replace Starmer, and by default, Reeves.

This is no paper talk. Now, whether something comes of it, who knows, but there is clearly the mood music around this being a serious push against Starmer.
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Many left wing M.P.s are objecting to any reforms on welfare,labour has had this issue since its inception,(Keir is a moderate to right wing within Labour) So they are trying to use their muscle in the budget not really much to see here.
 
beak said:
Farage knows that she has acted on immigration leaving him with nothing to bleat about, even harsher immigration rules would mean breaking international treaties and the U.K. becoming a pariah state.Fourteen years of Tory rule produced nothing on Immigration whatsoever!
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She may well need the Tories and Reform to get her legislation through Parliament against her own backbenchers. Even then people are already pointing out big holes which asylum seekers may exploit.

I do wish her luck because we can't afford to wait for another 4/5 years to get a new government to address the issue. However before anyone starts crowing or bleating lets see if her plans work. I'm still waiting to see Starmer smash the gangs.
 
Badger11 said:
She may well need the Tories and Reform to get her legislation through Parliament against her own backbenchers. Even then people are already pointing out big holes which asylum seekers may exploit.

I do wish her luck because we can't afford to wait for another 4/5 years to get a new government to address the issue. However before anyone starts crowing or bleating lets see if her plans work. I'm still waiting to see Starmer smash the gangs.
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Yes I think the vote will tell us an awful lot I imagine the Tories and Labour will mainly vote for and the one Green M.P. and the Reform M.P.s will vote against. Perhaps Starmer smashing the gangs his own discontent M.P.s as you have mentioned the whips office will have a bit of a job.
 
beak said:
Farage knows that she has acted on immigration leaving him with nothing to bleat about, even harsher immigration rules would mean breaking international treaties and the U.K. becoming a pariah state.Fourteen years of Tory rule produced nothing on Immigration whatsoever!
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A valid point. Now whether the Court system actually allows any of these proposals to go through remains to be seen but what she is proposing is at least making a go of tackling the issues.

And for us Far-Right types, this also shows what we need to fear most. Because she has been able to do this due to her being a Muslim. Makes her immune from the usual left-wing bleating. Political Isalm is going to become a thing and it will be effectively given far more lee-way on the authoritarian stuff than anything the Right can come up with.

The progressive left have effectively hamstrung themselves with their phobia about any and anything that might have them labeled 'racist'. So they will just play along with it rather than opposing it.

Dangerous moment for us and should not be underestimated.
 
Matov said:
A valid point. Now whether the Court system actually allows any of these proposals to go through remains to be seen but what she is proposing is at least making a go of tackling the issues.

And for us Far-Right types, this also shows what we need to fear most. Because she has been able to do this due to her being a Muslim. Makes her immune from the usual left-wing bleating. Political Isalm is going to become a thing and it will be effectively given far more lee-way on the authoritarian stuff than anything the Right can come up with.

The progressive left have effectively hamstrung themselves with their phobia about any and anything that might have them labeled 'racist'. So they will just play along with it rather than opposing it.

Dangerous moment for us and should not be underestimated.
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If It goes through with the rump of the Tories voting for it and becomes accepted as a panacea for "all immigration ills" it will sink Farage's boat pardon the analogy irresistible.
 
It's just another example of reality intruding on the Left's pipedreams - as it always does, sooner or later.
 
beak said:
New red curtains for 10 Downing Street on delivery for 2030, I'm afraid we have spiked your gun and Farage is speechless and is now a rebel without a cause. 😆
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"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which." [Orwell, Animal Farm]
 
To be serious.....I would have thought that while still being in the ECHR that a lot of what Ming is saying is performative.

Also I would have thought that none of this is really going to fly with the Labour MP base.
 
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Matov said:
A valid point. Now whether the Court system actually allows any of these proposals to go through remains to be seen but what she is proposing is at least making a go of tackling the issues.

And for us Far-Right types, this also shows what we need to fear most. Because she has been able to do this due to her being a Muslim. Makes her immune from the usual left-wing bleating. Political Isalm is going to become a thing and it will be effectively given far more lee-way on the authoritarian stuff than anything the Right can come up with.

The progressive left have effectively hamstrung themselves with their phobia about any and anything that might have them labeled 'racist'. So they will just play along with it rather than opposing it.

Dangerous moment for us and should not be underestimated.
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Don't think this is true - the proposals are being strongly opposed on the left.
 
beak said:
Farage knows that she has acted on immigration leaving him with nothing to bleat about, even harsher immigration rules would mean breaking international treaties and the U.K. becoming a pariah state.Fourteen years of Tory rule produced nothing on Immigration whatsoever!
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She hasn’t acted on Immigration yet! Let’s see if and when any of her plans are implemented. IMO they won’t be and she knows it but she will be able to swerve any blame
 
Spiderman said:
She hasn’t acted on Immigration yet! Let’s see if and when any of her plans are implemented. IMO they won’t be and she knows it but she will be able to swerve any blame
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Introduce the plans as winter approaches when the number of dinghies crossing the channel will be lower and then claim the ‘success’ of the policies. This is not the Danish system that worked and nullified their own right wing party’s stance, so expect Farage to still lead the debate and forcing Labour to go further thereby causing Labour MPs to fragment even more. Maybe an enforced general election in 2027…
 
beak said:
Farage knows that she has acted on immigration leaving him with nothing to bleat about, even harsher immigration rules would mean breaking international treaties and the U.K. becoming a pariah state.Fourteen years of Tory rule produced nothing on Immigration whatsoever!
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Immigration rose from around 200,000 to 900,000 plus in the tory years.

And small boats were hardly heard of.

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