Labour Party politics

Oh dear!


Lies are seeded all the time from intelligence, foreign and domestic, corporate (in fact, all forms of power wealthy enough to do it) into the media and amplified by a sometimes paid and sometime politically zealous section of media.

Then you have activists and so on.

No doubt it's always been this way but many many people are fundamentally trusting and believe what they are told......Same as most people in Russia, same as most people anywhere.

The nature of what is true ultimately has to be discerned by the individual from observation and choice.

Obviously you can't live a life doubting everything....for example most will accept that atoms exist, even though they will have no way of checking. So really it comes down to what you deem the motivations of others are....at the organisational or individual level and what their relationship to 'warts and all' truth is.

Some of us will have engaged in lying or half truths because of pressures put on us (usually money or love) or political zealotry or cynicism, nihilism. Even the very best people have been hypocrites over something in their lives.

Though obviously some are more conscientious than others and/or want to improve those aspects in life.

We will all get it wrong in life, because we are human....I was wrong on Iraq....unfortunately some never learn from mistakes or just get it wrong more than others.
 
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Just to expand on my last post about intelligence interference abroad that essentially lies about being organic and doesn't really have any morals at all.....just cares about winning.

I have very little time for that.

Mike Benz, an influence of mine and ex State department himself, in this short informs that the problem you are dealing with isn't about left or right, Republican or Democrat.....right or wrong or anything else. It only cares about winning.......and it's dirty and about lying and isn't worthy of your support.

It's all the major intelligence agencies around the world as far as I can tell.....but we only get to hear about ours....which is why western free speech is so important.

 
Labour Party planning to remove the 2 children benefits cap.

How dumb can you get.

The country is creaking under the weight of the national debt and borrowing. Rachel from Accounts is desperately trying to find more to tax and make savings. Meanwhile the Labour party is seriously considering removing this restriction which will only inflate the welfare bill.

The cap was introduced in 2017 and was not retrospective. That means that the vast majority of parents who would benefit from this now have had their children since the cap was already in place. So they made a choice to have more than 2 children which is their right and now Labour are saying it's unfair.

Welfare cuts will have to happen at some point or we go bust, the last thing we need is a freebie for people who made an informed choice.
 
Labour Party planning to remove the 2 children benefits cap.

How dumb can you get.

The country is creaking under the weight of the national debt and borrowing. Rachel from Accounts is desperately trying to find more to tax and make savings. Meanwhile the Labour party is seriously considering removing this restriction which will only inflate the welfare bill.

The cap was introduced in 2017 and was not retrospective. That means that the vast majority of parents who would benefit from this now have had their children since the cap was already in place. So they made a choice to have more than 2 children which is their right and now Labour are saying it's unfair.

Welfare cuts will have to happen at some point or we go bust, the last thing we need is a freebie for people who made an informed choice.

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If you cannot afford to have children then don't have them.
Blair's Government caused massive issues with their policy on this and we are now suffering for it.
Why ramp up the welfare bill so that some useless twats can procreate at our expense.
Makes no sense at all, which is why this Government will likely scrap it.
 
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If you cannot afford to have children then don't have them.
Blair's Government caused massive issues with their policy on this and we are now suffering for it.
Why ramp up the welfare bill so that some useless twats can procreate at our expense.
Makes no sense at all, which is why this Government will likely scrap it.

It’s to get votes from a certain sector of the public that have lots of children.
 
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If you cannot afford to have children then don't have them.
Blair's Government caused massive issues with their policy on this and we are now suffering for it.
Why ramp up the welfare bill so that some useless twats can procreate at our expense.
Makes no sense at all, which is why this Government will likely scrap it.
At some point a government (any party) will have to start making benefit cuts. This may cause real hardship to some people e.g. the elderly, those with disabilities or carers. The point about the 2 child limit is that anyone who wants to have more must know that the government will not support them so it's their choice.

Many genuine people on benefits don't have an option to not be ill. So if this government does ahead and lift the limit how will they pay for what is a lifestyle choice.
 
My political hero is Aneurin Bevan,Health Minister 1945 (founder of the NHS ,in spite of massive opposition from the tories) also Housing Minister,the two big jobs in post war Britain. He was very much in favour of child benefits. He once said that the tories were lower than vermin,the gutter press had headlines the following day that Bevan had called the tories vermin which was incorrect, so at his press confrence the next day he pointed out the error "I did not say the tories were vermin, I actually said they were MUCH lower,I don't go around insulting vermin.Child poverty is a very bad look for a civilized country, however many children are born the child is NOT to blame by going hungry.
 
At some point a government (any party) will have to start making benefit cuts. This may cause real hardship to some people e.g. the elderly, those with disabilities or carers. The point about the 2 child limit is that anyone who wants to have more must know that the government will not support them so it's their choice.

Many genuine people on benefits don't have an option to not be ill. So if this government does ahead and lift the limit how will they pay for what is a lifestyle choice.
Children like greatness may be thrust upon you, there is not a method of contraception that is 100% safe.
 
Children like greatness may be thrust upon you, there is not a method of contraception that is 100% safe.
Accidents will always happen I agree. However after 2 kids must parents do know what their birth control options are. I suspect the overwhelming majority are planned.

There is no money so how will they pay for this? If there is a magic money tree then the government needs to shake it and bring down our borrowing and nation debt to responsible levels before they start throwing money at people for lifestyle choices.

I come from a large family so I am not unsympathetic, however growing up in the 1960's child support had zero impact on the taxpayer.

The money was paid direct to the mother and the father was taxed the same amount, this was to stop him boozing and gambling it away. At some point, I don't know when this link was broken and today many people don't pay in but do get child support.
 
Accidents will always happen I agree. However after 2 kids must parents do know what their birth control options are. I suspect the overwhelming majority are planned.

There is no money so how will they pay for this? If there is a magic money tree then the government needs to shake it and bring down our borrowing and nation debt to responsible levels before they start throwing money at people for lifestyle choices.

I come from a large family so I am not unsympathetic, however growing up in the 1960's child support had zero impact on the taxpayer.

The money was paid direct to the mother and the father was taxed the same amount, this was to stop him boozing and gambling it away. At some point, I don't know when this link was broken and today many people don't pay in but do get child support.
Well, Mrs Thatchers funeral took place during austerity and they magically found £10 million behind the sofa,I don't care too much how they fund it perhaps twopence on champagne.
 
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Labour Party planning to remove the 2 children benefits cap.

How dumb can you get.

The country is creaking under the weight of the national debt and borrowing. Rachel from Accounts is desperately trying to find more to tax and make savings. Meanwhile the Labour party is seriously considering removing this restriction which will only inflate the welfare bill.

The cap was introduced in 2017 and was not retrospective. That means that the vast majority of parents who would benefit from this now have had their children since the cap was already in place. So they made a choice to have more than 2 children which is their right and now Labour are saying it's unfair.

Welfare cuts will have to happen at some point or we go bust, the last thing we need is a freebie for people who made an informed choice.
The cap should apply to recently arrived immigrants and not those who are 'indigenous'. In fact, there should be no child benefit for migrants if they don't work.
We need to encourage an increase in the birth rate of our own people. 3 kids per family would help reverse the decline in our population.
 

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