Labour Party politics

[HKOwen]

Many voters prefer Corbyn to Starmer's repressive regime, and many particularly palestine supporters have nowhere to go.

You could now actually be arrested for having a Palestine flag, or be casually arrested and detained in 97% of cases released without charge.

This is not limited to Gaza.

More people voted Corbyn in 2019 than Starmer in 2024, it is solely due to Britain's barmy voting system that he is in power.

Authoritarian and right wing, hardly what moderate voters or the left wanted.

Not a man or government of the people.

New parties rarely get off the ground, but at least can provide some fresh air.

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Highlighted in italics, and you know this how?

Highlighted in bold simply not true so no surprise you posted it.

So in your post you have both a completely unsubstantiated opinion put as a fact, a competely untru statement that supports your narrative.

Only thing missing from a Steeleye bingo card is some jew hate or rejoicing in dead Israelis

 

[georgenorman]

You must have Orwell quotes as your most used bookmark.

I wonder how many of his books you have actually read

I have read all of his published books, articles and letters and several biographies of him.

 

[Badger11]

You must have Orwell quotes as your most used bookmark.

I wonder how many of his books you have actually read

Butting in.

I have read most of Orwell's books. An interesting man because he was one of the few prominent people on the left to publicly criticise Russia and Stalin. It's easy to forget that back in the 1930's much of the chattering classes were enamoured of Stalin and communism. It's why half of Cambridge ended up spying for them.

He wasn't the only one but it's amazing how intelligent people in the UK overlooked the atrocities in Russia that had been going on since the twenties. They saw Stalin as a bulwark to Hitler so looked the other way.

Orwell started out as a communist but after his experiences in Spain fighting against the fascists he realised just how evil Stalin was and drifted more to a Blair like political position.

He correctly identified the "cult of the personality" that Stalin and most other dictators use and foresaw the surveillance society that we live in today. In 1984 Winston Smith's job is to create fake media stories which is why he is so relevant today. Although I doubt he would be happy being quoted by the right.

He wasn't perfect and like a lot it's easier to point out the fault in a system rather than find solutions.

 

[HKOwen]

Butting in.

I have read most of Orwell's books. An interesting man because he was one of the few prominent people on the left to publicly criticise Russia and Stalin. It's easy to forget that back in the 1930's much of the chattering classes were enamoured of Stalin and communism. It's why half of Cambridge ended up spying for them.

He wasn't the only one but it's amazing how intelligent people in the UK overlooked the atrocities in Russia that had been going on since the twenties. They saw Stalin as a bulwark to Hitler so looked the other way.

Orwell started out as a communist but after his experiences in Spain fighting against the fascists he realised just how evil Stalin was and drifted more to a Blair like political position.

He correctly identified the "cult of the personality" that Stalin and most other dictators use and foresaw the surveillance society that we live in today. In 1984 Winston Smith's job is to create fake media stories which is why he is so relevant today. Although I doubt he would be happy being quoted by the right.

He wasn't perfect and like a lot it's easier to point out the fault in a system rather than find solutions.

Yes, people here throw the name around without really knowing what they're talking about

 

[georgenorman]

Butting in.

I have read most of Orwell's books. An interesting man because he was one of the few prominent people on the left to publicly criticise Russia and Stalin. It's easy to forget that back in the 1930's much of the chattering classes were enamoured of Stalin and communism. It's why half of Cambridge ended up spying for them.

He wasn't the only one but it's amazing how intelligent people in the UK overlooked the atrocities in Russia that had been going on since the twenties. They saw Stalin as a bulwark to Hitler so looked the other way.

Orwell started out as a communist but after his experiences in Spain fighting against the fascists he realised just how evil Stalin was and drifted more to a Blair like political position.

He correctly identified the "cult of the personality" that Stalin and most other dictators use and foresaw the surveillance society that we live in today. In 1984 Winston Smith's job is to create fake media stories which is why he is so relevant today. Although I doubt he would be happy being quoted by the right.

He wasn't perfect and like a lot it's easier to point out the fault in a system rather than find solutions.

I agree with a lot of this. I don't think Orwell 'started out as a communist'. He was a member of the Independent Labour Party and very left wing in many ways, he wanted to nationalise practically everything while retaining the monarchy - a typical Orwell contradiction.
He was a libertarian, an egalitarian and a contrarian.
I think if he had lived longer he would have recognised the failure of the state in being able to run more and more of our lives and activities. He certainly would have strongly opposed the corruption of language and education that is now used in pursuit of political ends - he would have taken his own advice "We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men".

 

[Stirlingsays]

They don't care about us.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1941412732995240069

 

[cryrst]

They don't care about us.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1941412732995240069

Need some space for the far right rioters and hurty word gang.

 

[Badger11]

Starmer has said he is a strong leader (debatable) but he has a bigger problem than that.

The Welfare bill has been a debacle and yet the question people should be asking is not why did he U turn but how do it happen in the first place.

Surely a good leader is someone who brings people along with their ideas. Welfare reform was a keynote part of the manifesto so the bill was hardly a surprise. However Labour senior management seem to have been caught out by the strength of opposition from the backbenchers.

This has nothing to do with "strength" but competency. Blair and his prince of darkness were very good and getting their MPs in order before presenting a bill to parliament so rebellions were few and far between and mainly led by the awkward squad (Corbyn and a handful of others).

It's clear that Starmer just assumed that they would line up like good little drones until they didn't.

This says more about his leadership skills than whether or not he is a strong leader.