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Stirlingsays said:
Well, first off I'd want to know what's a skeleton doing in their cupboard....was it some S&M gone wrong? Or was it looking for food? Was the owner of said skeleton a consensual participant in becoming a skeleton in this cupboard?...Was there some weird sexual stuff?...We can't ask the skeleton obviously.....but we can check to see if it has a smile on its face.
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I should have said this was back in the nineties so attitudes were slightly different. it was the height of the Sun tabloid journalsim.

That was the point of my story. As far as I am aware he was a single consenting adult and had done nothing wrong so The Sun was gutted that they had not found an excuse to print the story. The player has long retired and I haven't checked to see if he came out.

Anyway my point was that the media often hang onto to stories and release them when it suits them. I don't doubt that the Mail or the Sun has some juicy Burnham tales.
 
Badger11 said:
I should have said this was back in the nineties so attitudes were slightly different. it was the height of the Sun tabloid journalsim.

That was the point of my story. As far as I am aware he was a single consenting adult and had done nothing wrong so The Sun was gutted that they had not found an excuse to print the story. The player has long retired and I haven't checked to see if he came out.

Anyway my point was that the media often hang onto to stories and release them when it suits them. I don't doubt that the Mail or the Sun has some juicy Burnham tales.
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My attitudes are quite happy to exist in the 80s......I've looked at what the new attitudes produce...and it's not for me.

My back is bad enough as it is.

To be serious, it's certainly true that the media hang onto information.....almost like the security/information services do.

Like pretty much every profession, their first loyalty is to themselves.

Holding back information can benefit them in various ways....currying favour with the powerful or it could just be a court order (the reasoning behind the court order can be rotten as hell).
Just as releasing 'shock news' can make them a cheap buck.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
My attitudes are quite happy to exist in the 80s......I've looked at what the new attitudes produce...and it's not for me.

My back is bad enough as it is.

To be serious, it's certainly true that the media hang onto information.....almost like the security/information services to.

Like pretty much every profession, their first loyalty is to themselves.

Holding back information can benefit them in various ways....currying favour with the powerful or it could just be a court order (the reasoning behind the court order can be rotten as hell).
Just as releasing 'shock news' can make them a cheap buck.
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Yup

I can imagine the Mail holding onto some Burnham scandal (let him get rid of Starmer first)
 
Badger11 said:
Yup

I can imagine the Mail holding onto some Burnham scandal (let him get rid of Starmer first)
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Often these so called scandals are the minutiae of everyday life something like he once pulled Karen pigtail in class and she is suing for $45 million in America because they lead the world in gullibility. You can invent any dross you like.
 

David Miliband says he is optimistic about potential Burnham government​

The former Foreign Secretary David Miliband has said he is "optimistic" about the prospect of Andy Burnham becoming the next prime minister.

Miliband told a think tank event in London on Friday that Burnham, who is widely expected to succeed Sir Keir Starmer as Labour leader and prime minister, has "this openness and energy that I think is very attractive and positive".

He said the expected appointment of the former Labour cabinet minister James Purnell as Burnham's Downing Street chief of staff was "fantastic".

"I haven't lost my youthful optimism," Miliband told an event organised by the Center for Global Development think tank.

"Andy Burnham, James [Purnell] and I came into the House of Commons at the same time in 2001 and I think [Burnham has] always had this remarkable ability to listen, to connect, to process data and ideas and information."

There has been speculation Miliband, the older brother of Energy Secretary Ed Miliband, could return to front-line politics in a Burnham government.

He quit as MP for South Shields in 2023 to take up the posts of president and CEO of the International Rescue Committee (IRC) - jobs he still holds.

Usually a prime minister's cabinet is made up of MPs from the House of Commons.

But in theory, Miliband could join the cabinet if he is given a peerage in the House of Lords, as former Prime Minister David Cameron was when he became foreign secretary in Rishi Sunak's Conservative government.

Burnham has mainly talked about domestic policy since he won the Makerfield by-election and is due to give a speech about the economy and devolution on Monday.

At the event, the BBC asked Miliband what his message to the next prime minister was about UK spending on aid, and whether he was interested in joining Burnham's government if he entered Downing Street.

Miliband said: "My message is of course to read the IRC's publications because they provide such an evidence-based and innovative and cost-effective way of serving the most vulnerable and poverty-stricken parts of the world. So there you go."

When asked later whether he had been in contact with team Burnham recently, he did not reply.

Someone who knows Miliband told the BBC he would be "a massive asset to Andy Burnham's cabinet," citing his work on the international stage in foreign affairs, humanitarian action and climate change.
David Miliband speaking at Climate, Fragility, and Development Priorities: A Fireside Chat with David Miliband in London
IMAGE SOURCE,CENTER FOR GLOBAL DEVELOPMENT
At the event, which was focused on climate finance and international aid, Miliband repeated his criticism of Sir Keir's decision last year to cut UK development assistance from 0.5% to 0.3% of national income.

But he added: "Within the amount of money that they've got available, I think it's really welcome that they put the UK in a leadership position as to the priority it gives to fragile and conflict-affected fragile states."

Miliband was a key policy adviser to Sir Tony Blair, when Labour was in opposition and in government under the former prime minister.

He joined Sir Tony's cabinet in 2006 as environment secretary, before being promoted to foreign secretary after Gordon Brown took over as prime minister in 2007.

He was a candidate for the Labour Party leadership in 2010, following the resignation of Brown, but was defeated by his younger brother Ed.

Following Sir Keir's resignation as prime minister on Monday, his successor could be elected by 17 July if Burnham continues to be the only MP to enter the leadership contest.
 
beak said:

David Miliband says he is optimistic about potential Burnham government​

The former Foreign Secretary David Miliband has said he is "optimistic" about the prospect of Andy Burnham becoming the next prime minister.

Miliband told a think tank event in London on Friday that Burnham, who is widely expected to succeed Sir Keir Starmer as Labour leader and prime minister, has "this openness and energy that I think is very attractive and positive".

He said the expected appointment of the former Labour cabinet minister James Purnell as Burnham's Downing Street chief of staff was "fantastic".

"I haven't lost my youthful optimism," Miliband told an event organised by the Center for Global Development think tank.

"Andy Burnham, James [Purnell] and I came into the House of Commons at the same time in 2001 and I think [Burnham has] always had this remarkable ability to listen, to connect, to process data and ideas and information."

There has been speculation Miliband, the older brother of Energy Secretary Ed Miliband, could return to front-line politics in a Burnham government.

He quit as MP for South Shields in 2023 to take up the posts of president and CEO of the International Rescue Committee (IRC) - jobs he still holds.

Usually a prime minister's cabinet is made up of MPs from the House of Commons.

But in theory, Miliband could join the cabinet if he is given a peerage in the House of Lords, as former Prime Minister David Cameron was when he became foreign secretary in Rishi Sunak's Conservative government.

Burnham has mainly talked about domestic policy since he won the Makerfield by-election and is due to give a speech about the economy and devolution on Monday.

At the event, the BBC asked Miliband what his message to the next prime minister was about UK spending on aid, and whether he was interested in joining Burnham's government if he entered Downing Street.

Miliband said: "My message is of course to read the IRC's publications because they provide such an evidence-based and innovative and cost-effective way of serving the most vulnerable and poverty-stricken parts of the world. So there you go."

When asked later whether he had been in contact with team Burnham recently, he did not reply.

Someone who knows Miliband told the BBC he would be "a massive asset to Andy Burnham's cabinet," citing his work on the international stage in foreign affairs, humanitarian action and climate change.
David Miliband speaking at Climate, Fragility, and Development Priorities: A Fireside Chat with David Miliband in London
IMAGE SOURCE,CENTER FOR GLOBAL DEVELOPMENT
At the event, which was focused on climate finance and international aid, Miliband repeated his criticism of Sir Keir's decision last year to cut UK development assistance from 0.5% to 0.3% of national income.

But he added: "Within the amount of money that they've got available, I think it's really welcome that they put the UK in a leadership position as to the priority it gives to fragile and conflict-affected fragile states."

Miliband was a key policy adviser to Sir Tony Blair, when Labour was in opposition and in government under the former prime minister.

He joined Sir Tony's cabinet in 2006 as environment secretary, before being promoted to foreign secretary after Gordon Brown took over as prime minister in 2007.

He was a candidate for the Labour Party leadership in 2010, following the resignation of Brown, but was defeated by his younger brother Ed.

Following Sir Keir's resignation as prime minister on Monday, his successor could be elected by 17 July if Burnham continues to be the only MP to enter the leadership contest.
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And?
 
Be very surprised if Miliband is still about in 6 months. Interesting choice of Chief of Staff for Burnham.
 
beak said:

David Miliband says he is optimistic about potential Burnham government​

The former Foreign Secretary David Miliband has said he is "optimistic" about the prospect of Andy Burnham becoming the next prime minister.

Miliband told a think tank event in London on Friday that Burnham, who is widely expected to succeed Sir Keir Starmer as Labour leader and prime minister, has "this openness and energy that I think is very attractive and positive".

He said the expected appointment of the former Labour cabinet minister James Purnell as Burnham's Downing Street chief of staff was "fantastic".

"I haven't lost my youthful optimism," Miliband told an event organised by the Center for Global Development think tank.

"Andy Burnham, James [Purnell] and I came into the House of Commons at the same time in 2001 and I think [Burnham has] always had this remarkable ability to listen, to connect, to process data and ideas and information."

There has been speculation Miliband, the older brother of Energy Secretary Ed Miliband, could return to front-line politics in a Burnham government.

He quit as MP for South Shields in 2023 to take up the posts of president and CEO of the International Rescue Committee (IRC) - jobs he still holds.

Usually a prime minister's cabinet is made up of MPs from the House of Commons.

But in theory, Miliband could join the cabinet if he is given a peerage in the House of Lords, as former Prime Minister David Cameron was when he became foreign secretary in Rishi Sunak's Conservative government.

Burnham has mainly talked about domestic policy since he won the Makerfield by-election and is due to give a speech about the economy and devolution on Monday.

At the event, the BBC asked Miliband what his message to the next prime minister was about UK spending on aid, and whether he was interested in joining Burnham's government if he entered Downing Street.

Miliband said: "My message is of course to read the IRC's publications because they provide such an evidence-based and innovative and cost-effective way of serving the most vulnerable and poverty-stricken parts of the world. So there you go."

When asked later whether he had been in contact with team Burnham recently, he did not reply.

Someone who knows Miliband told the BBC he would be "a massive asset to Andy Burnham's cabinet," citing his work on the international stage in foreign affairs, humanitarian action and climate change.
David Miliband speaking at Climate, Fragility, and Development Priorities: A Fireside Chat with David Miliband in London
IMAGE SOURCE,CENTER FOR GLOBAL DEVELOPMENT
At the event, which was focused on climate finance and international aid, Miliband repeated his criticism of Sir Keir's decision last year to cut UK development assistance from 0.5% to 0.3% of national income.

But he added: "Within the amount of money that they've got available, I think it's really welcome that they put the UK in a leadership position as to the priority it gives to fragile and conflict-affected fragile states."

Miliband was a key policy adviser to Sir Tony Blair, when Labour was in opposition and in government under the former prime minister.

He joined Sir Tony's cabinet in 2006 as environment secretary, before being promoted to foreign secretary after Gordon Brown took over as prime minister in 2007.

He was a candidate for the Labour Party leadership in 2010, following the resignation of Brown, but was defeated by his younger brother Ed.

Following Sir Keir's resignation as prime minister on Monday, his successor could be elected by 17 July if Burnham continues to be the only MP to enter the leadership contest.
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Great, let’s borrow more money to fund overseas aid…
 
Runningman said:
Great, let’s borrow more money to fund overseas aid…
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Oversea aid is a tool used to facilitate trade and normally nets vast sums from overseas trade a form of revenue lost since Brexit. A thick fog descended in the English channel A keen European says " We in the U.K. are cut off from Europe" A keen Brexit supporter says "Europe cut off from Britain" It just shows how ridiculous the notion of Brexit really is we cannot draw the curtains and think we can be self sufficient from the rest of the word- bananas.
 
beak said:
Oversea aid is a tool used to facilitate trade and normally nets vast sums from overseas trade a form of revenue lost since Brexit. A thick fog descended in the English channel A keen European says " We in the U.K. are cut off from Europe" A keen Brexit supporter says "Europe cut off from Britain" It just shows how ridiculous the notion of Brexit really is we cannot draw the curtains and think we can be self sufficient from the rest of the word- bananas.
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Why shouldn't we be self sufficient from the word bananas?
 
Burnham's a big state guy and he needs a lot more money to achieve those policies.

He can't really borrow more.....The state are already borrowing massively just to stand still and have a high interest rate because of it.

So that leaves raising taxes or cutting spending......I think we can rule cutting spending out.

So where does he get the tax?

You tax the wealth class higher and they just move money out.

That leaves the middle class......And the one thing you can tax that can't move are physical assets.

So tax on homes is probably going to be massively expanded from what was happening in 2028 anyway....but Burnham is likely to bring it forward.

If you own physical assets in the UK that can't be moved out......I can see people having to pay a lot for it.....How low will Labour go with the threshold?

Considering how much money Burnham needs I can't see it being pretty.
 
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