Kamada will be an asset

[NEILLO]

I accept points raised in the penultimate paragraph.

However, I think Kamada is a reckless tackler, on occasions approaching from the side or going to ground and sliding in leading to inevitable free kicks ( think Man C for the De Bruyne goal).
He's more reckless in the tackle than Lerma from my perspective.

Agreed.

I made a point earlier on in this thread about Kamada playing to his strengths, of which tackling is definitely not one.

I think his recently improved performances are at least partially because he's realised that he hasn't got the physicality or the right timing to make the sort of challenge he made at City. I don't recall him trying anything similar since then but I could be wrong.

I think Kamada looks sure to start in the Cup Final. My concern is that we won't have anybody to compete with Kovacic if that proves to be the case.

 

[MrRobbo]

Hughes is most definitely not a fly in and kick the man up in the air merchant. He is an intelligent footballer with a decent first touch and a lot of his yellows are as a result of professional fouls where he breaks up dangerous counter attacks.

If there are concerns about red cards then he should be taken off as soon as he picks up a yellow. We have both Lerma and Kamada (and also Devenny) who can take his place, he should however start as he frees up Wharton to do his thing and as he showed when he came on against Forest, the team looks better with him on the pitch.

I’m sorry but I really do not subscribe to the idea that Kamada standing around watching is tactically astute, maybe so if we played a midfield 3, however as a two, if he doesn’t get stuck in then who does?

This is your takeout.

My read, is that he does a better job at holding the formation and blocking the danger ball.

Easier to see on TV, but if you watch him, he's always looking over his shoulder, blocking the passing lane into the 10/striker. He did this excellently against Arsenal stopping MO getting the ball in the pocket. He'll engage the 6/8 when needed, but to not too far as to get pulled out of position.

Also worth looking at the below. Always good to get some stats to have an objective conversation. This is per 90.

So for all the haters, DK makes .6 less tackles a game than Hughes. And .4 more than Lerma. So its not like Hughes and Lerma are making 10 more tackles a game. And for Hughes' .6 more tackles, he gives away 1.2 extra fouls.

 

[NEILLO]

This is your takeout.

My read, is that he does a better job at holding the formation and blocking the danger ball.

Easier to see on TV, but if you watch him, he's always looking over his shoulder, blocking the passing lane into the 10/striker. He did this excellently against Arsenal stopping MO getting the ball in the pocket. He'll engage the 6/8 when needed, but to not too far as to get pulled out of position.

Also worth looking at the below. Always good to get some stats to have an objective conversation. This is per 90.

So for all the haters, DK makes .6 less tackles a game than Hughes. And .4 more than Lerma. So its not like Hughes and Lerma are making 10 more tackles a game. And for Hughes' .6 more tackles, he gives away 1.2 extra fouls.



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Stats such as these are interesting but don't tell the whole story.

If we are looking at those tackling stats that you refer to, they don't break it down further - for example, the direct outcomes of the number of fouls. And I contend that is what people remember.

So Hughes makes more tackles and concedes more fouls. For arguments sake lets say the majority are in the middle of the pitch. Kamada makes less tackles but concedes more fouls deeper in our own half. And then the obvious one that people are going to home in on is the City / De Bruyne one.

Now I'm NOT saying that the above is fact, just trying to illustrate how stats aren't the be all and end all.

 

[silvertop]

This is your takeout.

My read, is that he does a better job at holding the formation and blocking the danger ball.

Easier to see on TV, but if you watch him, he's always looking over his shoulder, blocking the passing lane into the 10/striker. He did this excellently against Arsenal stopping MO getting the ball in the pocket. He'll engage the 6/8 when needed, but to not too far as to get pulled out of position.

Also worth looking at the below. Always good to get some stats to have an objective conversation. This is per 90.

So for all the haters, DK makes .6 less tackles a game than Hughes. And .4 more than Lerma. So its not like Hughes and Lerma are making 10 more tackles a game. And for Hughes' .6 more tackles, he gives away 1.2 extra fouls.



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Are these stats % to time on the pitch? I assume they are.

My takeaway from this is Mitchell. Starts every game, no injuries, billions of tackles (8th in the division) and almost never booked.

Candidate for Unsung Hero of the Year.

(Apologies for going off topic)

 

[MrRobbo]

Stats such as these are interesting but don't tell the whole story.

If we are looking at those tackling stats that you refer to, they don't break it down further - for example, the direct outcomes of the number of fouls. And I contend that is what people remember.

So Hughes makes more tackles and concedes more fouls. For arguments sake lets say the majority are in the middle of the pitch. Kamada makes less tackles but concedes more fouls deeper in our own half. And then the obvious one that people are going to home in on is the City / De Bruyne one.

Now I'm NOT saying that the above is fact, just trying to illustrate how stats aren't the be all and end all.

Oh no of course not. It was mealy to illustrate that this myth that Kamada doesn't tackle, but Hughes and Lerma tackle everything in sight isn't true.

100% agree that an impression/memory makes this all more subjective. But I do also think that people are waiting to jump on Kamada, so every mistake is highlighted and remembered.

Anyone remember that it was Lerma who stupidly gave away the foul that lead to the first Arsenal goal? Highly doubt it.

I feel like I'm head of the Kamada fan club on here, I'm certainly not. Jsut feel like some have it in for him

 

[NEILLO]

Oh no of course not. It was mealy to illustrate that this myth that Kamada doesn't tackle, but Hughes and Lerma tackle everything in sight isn't true.

100% agree that an impression/memory makes this all more subjective. But I do also think that people are waiting to jump on Kamada, so every mistake is highlighted and remembered.

Anyone remember that it was Lerma who stupidly gave away the foul that lead to the first Arsenal goal? Highly doubt it.

I feel like I'm head of the Kamada fan club on here, I'm certainly not. Jsut feel like some have it in for him

Is it a club if there's only one member ? 🤣

Just kidding !

Yes, I guess some people do have it in for him. I certainly haven't been convinced by him for the majority of the season. Even Steve Parish has acknowledged the difficulty Kamada has had in adjusting to life in the Prem. But of late we have started to see what the manager sees in him - and that's a real positive.

 

[PatrickA]

Agreed.

I made a point earlier on in this thread about Kamada playing to his strengths, of which tackling is definitely not one.

I think his recently improved performances are at least partially because he's realised that he hasn't got the physicality or the right timing to make the sort of challenge he made at City. I don't recall him trying anything similar since then but I could be wrong.

I think Kamada looks sure to start in the Cup Final. My concern is that we won't have anybody to compete with Kovacic if that proves to be the case.

I share the same concerns re the Final.

Starting with Wharton and Kamada seems to pre-suppose that we will have enough of the ball and not be chasing their ball playing midfielders in the final third.

For sure , Wharton and Kamada are intelligent players with the ability to block passing channels and intercept on occasions or ‘nick’ the ball.
I’m less confident about them facing runners or dribblers who have the ability to sit them on the floor.
I have visions (or nightmares) of Kovacic/DeBruyne/Foden steaming towards our penalty area with Wharton and Kamada trailing in their wake.

For this occasion,and this occasion only, I’m in the Roy camp.
Two sitting midfielders with rapid counterattacking raids led by Sarr and Munoz.

 

[Adrift]

All the stats have Hughes as the better player over the season so far, I'm sure most would agree that he has been
However as far as I can see stats over the last half dozen games have Kamada as the better player
That certainly goes with my impression from watching him and in particular I thought he was very good at Wembley
I'd be surprised if he's not in the starting line up

 

[ASCPFC]

I share the same concerns re the Final.

Starting with Wharton and Kamada seems to pre-suppose that we will have enough of the ball and not be chasing their ball playing midfielders in the final third.

For sure , Wharton and Kamada are intelligent players with the ability to block passing channels and intercept on occasions or ‘nick’ the ball.
I’m less confident about them facing runners or dribblers who have the ability to sit them on the floor.
I have visions (or nightmares) of Kovacic/DeBruyne/Foden steaming towards our penalty area with Wharton and Kamada trailing in their wake.

For this occasion,and this occasion only, I’m in the Roy camp.
Two sitting midfielders with rapid counterattacking raids led by Sarr and Munoz.

I would be the opposite. Man City are not good at the back. Attack them and they don't look strong. They're good up front but will concede goals. Attack them for 90 and they'll lose.

 

[Badger11]

I would be the opposite. Man City are not good at the back. Attack them and they don't look strong. They're good up front but will concede goals. Attack them for 90 and they'll lose.

It's a one off game in front of your fans and a global TV event. Attack attack attack, give the fans something to be proud of win or lose, in fairness we did well in both previous finals.

 

[Eaglecoops]

It's a one off game in front of your fans and a global TV event. Attack attack attack, give the fans something to be proud of win or lose, in fairness we did well in both previous finals.

This is the way (as the Mandalorian would say).

 

[PatrickA]

The sentiment of attack, attack, attack is fine in theory- but we all know that it won't happen in practice.

No side in this country dominates possession against City.

The key to success will be how effective we are with limited possession and in transition phases.
We will need to be very efficient with our limited opportunities.

 

[silvertop]

The sentiment of attack, attack, attack is fine in theory- but we all know that it won't happen in practice.

No side in this country dominates possession against City.

The key to success will be how effective we are with limited possession and in transition phases.
We will need to be very efficient with our limited opportunities.

That is actually something we are quite good at.

And set pieces.

Whatever outcome, anyone expecting us to enjoy more than 40% possession will be disappointed.

 

[MrRobbo]

That is actually something we are quite good at.

And set pieces.

Whatever outcome, anyone expecting us to enjoy more than 40% possession will be disappointed.

100%

We're not great with the ball for long periods. Forrest realised that the other night and we really struggled against their low block.

 

[MrRobbo]

I share the same concerns re the Final.

Starting with Wharton and Kamada seems to pre-suppose that we will have enough of the ball and not be chasing their ball playing midfielders in the final third.

For sure , Wharton and Kamada are intelligent players with the ability to block passing channels and intercept on occasions or ‘nick’ the ball.
I’m less confident about them facing runners or dribblers who have the ability to sit them on the floor.
I have visions (or nightmares) of Kovacic/DeBruyne/Foden steaming towards our penalty area with Wharton and Kamada trailing in their wake.

For this occasion,and this occasion only, I’m in the Roy camp.
Two sitting midfielders with rapid counterattacking raids led by Sarr and Munoz.

Not necessarily

For me:

It ensures that we are more tactically sensible without the ball. Their game is probing, trying to pull players out of position

We've got 2 good passers in the middle to make the transitions snappy

 

[PatrickA]

Not necessarily

For me:

It ensures that we are more tactically sensible without the ball. Their game is probing, trying to pull players out of position

We've got 2 good passers in the middle to make the transitions snappy

I understand your logic and approach - which is likely to be shared by Glasner.

It's brave and worked against Villa - I had similar concerns about Rogers and co running our midfield ragged as I'm now expressing about Kovacic and co.

I hope it can work v City and that my caution is unfounded

 

[Talvlad]

I think Kamada will have a significant role in the FA Cup Final.

On the off chance he turns out to be the matchwinner am wondering if I should take a punt on this...?

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[Teddy Eagle]

I think Kamada will have a significant role in the FA Cup Final.

On the off chance he turns out to be the matchwinner am wondering if I should take a punt on this...?

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If he's the match winner they'll sell out anyway.

The other Sickle-Ricefields will be all over them.

Kamada (written: 鎌田 lit. "sickle ricefield") is a Japanese surname. Notable people with the surname include:

• Daichi Kamada (鎌田 大地, born 1996), Japanese footballer

 

[ASCPFC]

I think Kamada will have a significant role in the FA Cup Final.

On the off chance he turns out to be the matchwinner am wondering if I should take a punt on this...?

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Just buy a permanent pen and some white T-shirts from Primark.

 

[viveasheagle]

Watched the Final for a second time. Hendo, Munoz & Eze grabbed the headlines but Kamada was excellent. City had so much of the ball in our half but nothing much happened in the central area's which Kamada was part of. He got upfield to play the ball back to JP in the build up play for the goal. Put in some match saving blocks and some excellent covering on a couple of occasions players were caught out of position in the second half.He had sound claims to be man of the match as well.