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Israel v Hamas

Stirlingsays said:
They were the same people living in that area for thousands of years.....Arabs came along with Islam in the 7th century....so they are heavily mixed in with Arab.

The Jews have had a massive admixure of European genes over the best part of two thousand years from multiple types, Netty is probably just as German as he is Jewish.....but most Jews were Eastern European.

I read about some Jews who have gone back to Poland because they felt it more their ancestral home, which for some Jews makes sense.....obviously most Jews are in America.

It's a moot point.

Both are ethnic groups.
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This is indeed a pointless debate.

Israel as we know it now exists purely because of the Holocaust and religious texts.
The Jews have always been a dispersed people. From Ramesses II to Hitler and Stalin and a whole lot more, Jews have had a rough time being accepted just about everywhere they have gone. Nonetheless, many Jews are doing fine where they are now. Particularly in the US.

Using the logic that Jews used for the creation of the state of Israel, one could just as easily claim that Catholics have a right to a place in Palestine, since their religion began there. In fact, all Christians could claim it as their homeland.
Now we know that there are Jews who are related through blood and those that have plenty of other genes swirling around. Some might claim a direct genetic link back to the Biblical lands some not so much.
Does that means that all people of Irish or Scottish descent or indeed anyone else can citizenship in their mother country in two thousand years if things aren't going too well for them? Unlikely.

My point is that logical arguments have no place here. Who was there first or second? It doesn't matter any more.

Israel exists because it was essentially a gift to a people who had just seen 6 million of its number destroyed in a few years. I don't suppose that those who signed off on it ever realised how big it would grow or bothered themselves with the possibility of regional destabilisation in the future. They had a lot on their plate already, and the Jews were a problem that had to be resolved.

So here we are.
 
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Bounced down the news items, somewhere below Saun Coombs sex trafficking trial and global warming

The luring of a starving population to militarised aid centres has enabled the genocide to continue.

"At least 46 people waiting for aid have been killed by Israeli fire in two incidents in central and southern Gaza, according to rescuers and hospitals.
UN agencies have condemned the US and Israel-backed food distribution system, with one official calling it "an abomination" and "a death trap".

Such deadly incidents have recently become a near daily occurrence but have attracted relatively little attention outside Gaza since Israel attacked Iran more than a week ago.

Without including the latest deaths, the UN has said that more than 410 Palestinians are reported to have been killed by Israeli gunfire or shelling since the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) began work in late May." (BBC website)
 
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Hrolf The Ganger said:
This is indeed a pointless debate.

Israel as we know it now exists purely because of the Holocaust and religious texts.
The Jews have always been a dispersed people. From Ramesses II to Hitler and Stalin and a whole lot more, Jews have had a rough time being accepted just about everywhere they have gone. Nonetheless, many Jews are doing fine where they are now. Particularly in the US.

Using the logic that Jews used for the creation of the state of Israel, one could just as easily claim that Catholics have a right to a place in Palestine, since their religion began there. In fact, all Christians could claim it as their homeland.
Now we know that there are Jews who are related through blood and those that have plenty of other genes swirling around. Some might claim a direct genetic link back to the Biblical lands some not so much.
Does that means that all people of Irish or Scottish descent or indeed anyone else can citizenship in their mother country in two thousand years if things aren't going too well for them? Unlikely.

My point is that logical arguments have no place here. Who was there first or second? It doesn't matter any more.

Israel exists because it was essentially a gift to a people who had just seen 6 million of its number destroyed in a few years. I don't suppose that those who signed off on it ever realised how big it would grow or bothered themselves with the possibility of regional destabilisation in the future. They had a lot on their plate already, and the Jews were a problem that had to be resolved.

So here we are.
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Balfour Declaration was 1917 so pre holocaust
 
Spindle said:
I dunno if steeley was one of those arrested but the stereotypes are all there

www.bbc.com

Seven people charged following Palestine Action protest - BBC News

Police made 13 arrests for offences, including assaulting an emergency worker, at the London protest on Monday.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

"Liam" - homeless. Racial assault
"Tom, Matthew, Lavina and Eleanor" - arrested
Bipasha from Tower Hamlets and Hafeza from Luton

Love it.
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They hated publishing these peoples details but the ‘far right ‘ riots set the precedent 😀
 
'Donald Trump nominated for nobel peace prize'.

No, not by Sir Keir (yet).

Washington: A Republican lawmaker has nominated US President Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize, citing his role in brokering a ceasefire between Israel and Iran and helping to prevent Tehran from acquiring nuclear weapons, Fox News reported.

He didn't bomb them off the table or anything like that.

🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
 
steeleye20 said:
'Donald Trump nominated for nobel peace prize'.

No, not by Sir Keir (yet).

Washington: A Republican lawmaker has nominated US President Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize, citing his role in brokering a ceasefire between Israel and Iran and helping to prevent Tehran from acquiring nuclear weapons, Fox News reported.

He didn't bomb them off the table or anything like that.

🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
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I thought Obama got the peace prize for solving the Middle East. maybe he should give it back.
 
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