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Israel v Hamas

So they should still go further than this then?

“The Gaza war began on October 7, 2023, following a Hamas-led attack on Israel. According to the Gaza Health Ministry, as of June 2, 2025, at least 54,470 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza due to Israel's military offensive. This figure is considered a conservative estimate, as it only includes deaths registered at health facilities, and thousands more are believed to be missing or buried under rubble, with estimates of over 11,000 unaccounted for. A study in The Lancet from July 2024 suggested the total death toll, including indirect deaths from starvation and lack of healthcare, could be as high as 186,000 or more.”
The Gaza Health Ministry is run by Hamas.
 
You lot are getting increasingly weird and desperate.
 
Victoria Derbyshire, surprising considering it's the BBC.


Israel did kill some of its own hostages on that day and since then amongst the palestinian civilians.

The question for the UK, as it is bound by international law unlike the USA or Israel, may well be did it supply weapons and support to Israel leading to this genocide
.
Is it actually complicit.

A competent leader, such as Harold Wilson, would not have involved the UK in this stooge/look-out role for the United States and Israel, which the world opposes and could bring consequences.

The defence review continues the empirical fantasy of the British. what are aircraft carriers in the far east for, are we going to invade China? (off topic)

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Victoria Derbyshire, surprising considering it's the BBC.


Israel did kill some of its own hostages on that day and since then amongst the palestinian civilians.

The question for the UK, as it is bound by international law unlike the USA or Israel, may well be did it supply weapons and support to Israel leading to this genocide
.
Is it actually complicit.

A competent leader, such as Harold Wilson, would not have involved the UK in this stooge/look-out role for the United States and Israel, which the world opposes and could bring consequences.

The defence review continues the empirical fantasy of the British. what are aircraft carriers in the far east for, are we going to invade China? (off topic)

😎
I had posted previously about Israel and defence exports. What's quite funny about your post is that nearly all Israeli armaments in the 50s/60s/70s were British. So without looking anything up - it seems that Wilson's government sold a lot of arms to Israel. Their main tank was British for example. In all of those large tank wars.
However, today Britain sells a few spare parts for aircraft to Israel and Britain's total share of supply of military equipment to Israel is under 1 per cent. In fact, India and Turkey supply a lot, lot more to Israel than the UK does.
One would think Turkey would come in for criticism? But no, people like to fantasise that the British Empire is selling loads of deadly weapons to Israel. In the past, you would have been correct. For a long time now, however, incorrect.
Really it shows how the UK has fallen down the order of military states. So it should be to your liking.
 
BREAKING: Local genius discovers that every single Hamas press release is not just accurate but spiritually enlightening. Currently working on a conspiracy thread linking Wi-Fi routers to Zionist mind control. Stay tuned.
No journalist will rely on one source for their information, especially one with such a vested interest and reputation as Hamas.

Which is why doctors from international organisations like MSF are being quoted with eye witness reports of casualties. When what they say corroborates what the Hamas press releases are saying then there is a high probability they are accurate.
 
No journalist will rely on one source for their information, especially one with such a vested interest and reputation as Hamas.

Which is why doctors from international organisations like MSF are being quoted with eye witness reports of casualties. When what they say corroborates what the Hamas press releases are saying then there is a high probability they are accurate.

Yes of course, it must be 😂
 
On a slightly more serious note, a knee-jerk massive military invasion was always going to cause many more civilian casualties than a more considered approach using intelligence and appropriate/proportionate firepower.
And now starving the remaining civilians to death, shows complete military ineptness, worthy of being called war crimes or genocide.
There is blatantly no attempt to distinguish between civilians and Hamas targets. Why would there be ?
This is the ultimate land-grab
"Land grab" of land they wanted to return to Egyptian hands. Odd.
 
Incredible that some poster's analysis of this crisis hasn't evolved beyond stating 'OCTOBER 7TH WAS EVIL' and 'HAMAS ARE BAD' like an army of tinpot Piers Morgans (even he has given up this nonsense by now).

The suggestion seems to be that if you are the victim of a terror attack, you have free reign to respond in whatever way you want, for as long as you want, killing as many civilians and children as you want.

It was a s*** argument 2 months after October 7th, it's absolutely laughable now.
 
Incredible that some poster's analysis of this crisis hasn't evolved beyond stating 'OCTOBER 7TH WAS EVIL' and 'HAMAS ARE BAD' like an army of tinpot Piers Morgans (even he has given up this nonsense by now).

The suggestion seems to be that if you are the victim of a terror attack, you have free reign to respond in whatever way you want, for as long as you want, killing as many civilians and children as you want.

It was a s*** argument 2 months after October 7th, it's absolutely laughable now.

And anything coming out of Gaza is either Hamas propaganda or from ‘activists’ so has to be automatically discounted.
 
Incredible that some poster's analysis of this crisis hasn't evolved beyond stating 'OCTOBER 7TH WAS EVIL' and 'HAMAS ARE BAD' like an army of tinpot Piers Morgans (even he has given up this nonsense by now).

The suggestion seems to be that if you are the victim of a terror attack, you have free reign to respond in whatever way you want, for as long as you want, killing as many civilians and children as you want.

It was a s*** argument 2 months after October 7th, it's absolutely laughable now.

You're sneering at people for acknowledging Hamas are evil? Just because you've moved on doesn’t mean October 7th stopped mattering. Brushing off mass murder and rape as old news so you can rant about proportionality, which I (and others) have already responded to, comes across like you are an apologist for said group.
 
You're sneering at people for acknowledging Hamas are evil? Just because you've moved on doesn’t mean October 7th stopped mattering. Brushing off mass murder and rape as old news so you can rant about proportionality, which I (and others) have already responded to, comes across like you are an apologist for said group.
Who's ' brushing off'? That perjorative term is just completely out of order.

Really, I ask you.

Is there no end?
 
Who's ' brushing off'? That perjorative term is just completely out of order.

Really, I ask you.

Is there no end?

Erm, what's it got to do with you? Why don't you add your views on the Israel-Hamas war instead of trying to s*** stir like you attempted with me and Spindle on the 1861 topic?
 
Incredible that some poster's analysis of this crisis hasn't evolved beyond stating 'OCTOBER 7TH WAS EVIL' and 'HAMAS ARE BAD' like an army of tinpot Piers Morgans (even he has given up this nonsense by now).

The suggestion seems to be that if you are the victim of a terror attack, you have free reign to respond in whatever way you want, for as long as you want, killing as many civilians and children as you want.

It was a s*** argument 2 months after October 7th, it's absolutely laughable now.
Do you think Hamas are bad and October 7 was evil?
What would be your 'proportionate' response?
 
What next – asking ISIS for health statistics?

Do you not see that you’ve manoeuvred yourself into a position where you can essentially tell yourself that anything you don’t like is either Hamas propaganda or reported by an activist with an agenda so you can ignore it.

It’s extremely intellectually dishonest.
 

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