Israel v Hamas

[HKOwen]

Yes, McAhuna’s post at #6769 outlining the Legal Definition of Genocide, as defined by the UNGC was incorrect and omitted a vital and required element; either the word ‘protected’ or their full definition, ‘In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group’.

McAhuna was either intentionally selective or just unintentionally wrong, either way it’s not helpful. It does however offer some explanation as to why expressed views and conclusions are often so wide of the mark.

He posted the actions but not those it applied to and importantly did not apply to.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

You included it and appear to be standing by it which makes the entire post questionable.

Why not just say you didn't mean to include it?

Yes, the testimony of journalists who have reported from numerous war zones is obviously part of the evidence.

No doubt you’ll give me the secondary school explanation that journalists can be biased or imperfect sources. But for the grown ups, that doesn’t make their testimony worthless , it makes it one piece of the evidential picture.

You know, like in a trial, where evidence that proves little or nothing in isolation can still be relevant when considered alongside other evidence and used to build the overall case.

I thought maybe a lawyer analogy would help you.

 

[HKOwen]

Yes, the testimony of journalists who have reported from numerous war zones is obviously part of the evidence.

No doubt you’ll give me the secondary school explanation that journalists can be biased or imperfect sources. But for the grown ups, that doesn’t make their testimony worthless , it makes it one piece of the evidential picture.

You know, like in a trial, where evidence that proves little or nothing in isolation can still be relevant when considered alongside other evidence and used to build the overall case.

I thought maybe a lawyer analogy would help you.

Whatever supports your narrative.

Israel banned international journalists from Gaza for two years so what journalists are you talking about?

Maybe the bloke down the pub has a view too, or Rachel Marsh.

" International journalists have generally been barred from independently entering and reporting from the Gaza Strip since the conflict began in October 2023.

Local Palestinian journalists, independent citizen-journalists, and local correspondents for international networks provided the vast majority of reporting from inside Gaza during the war.

Like the guy who made the BBC " documentary " starring the kid og the Hamas official.

So basically your journalist evidence will be coming from Palestiunians and others allowed by Hamas .

Can't see a problem with that ................

 

[cryrst]

Mine too 😂

Just so we are clear, do you think babies stop being born during a genocide?

Do you know what the birth rate was in Gaza in 2023?

Well I would have thought yes as women apparently have died in their 1000s.
Genocide is an extermination of a society.
Israel are not very good at it as gazas society is increasing in numbers. Someone got their definitions wrong somewhere! I don’t know the birth rate in 2023 so enlighten me !
Also app 130000 births and 73000 deaths since 2023. Do I need Einstein for that sum?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Well I would have thought yes as women apparently have died in their 1000s.
Genocide is an extermination of a society.
Israel are not very good at it as gazas society is increasing in numbers. Someone got their definitions wrong somewhere! I don’t know the birth rate in 2023 so enlighten me !
Also app 130000 births and 73000 deaths since 2023. Do I need Einstein for that sum?

Again, on what basis is the population increasing?

Genocide is not ‘an extermination of society’ - you don’t just get to invent your own definition unfortunately. There’s a couple of wannabe lawyers discussing the definition above if it helps.

I’m sure you’re including all of the displaced and missing people in your scientific calculation of the population.

 

[HKOwen]

Again, on what basis is the population increasing?

Genocide is not ‘an extermination of society’ - you don’t just get to invent your own definition unfortunately. There’s a couple of wannabe lawyers discussing the definition above if it helps.

I’m sure you’re including all of the displaced and missing people in your scientific calculation of the population.

Ask your journalists for their view.

Consensus is @ 100,000 of the pre war population have left Gaza .

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Whatever supports your narrative.

Israel banned international journalists from Gaza for two years so what journalists are you talking about?

Maybe the bloke down the pub has a view too, or Rachel Marsh.

" International journalists have generally been barred from independently entering and reporting from the Gaza Strip since the conflict began in October 2023.

Local Palestinian journalists, independent citizen-journalists, and local correspondents for international networks provided the vast majority of reporting from inside Gaza during the war.

Like the guy who made the BBC " documentary " starring the kid og the Hamas official.

So basically your journalist evidence will be coming from Palestiunians and others allowed by Hamas .

Can't see a problem with that ................

All of the evidence supports my ‘narrative’ - that’s exactly the point, glad you’re getting it.

Why do you think Israel banned international journalists out of interest?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Ask your journalists for their view.

Consensus is @ 100,000 of the pre war population have left Gaza .

That would certainly throw a spanner in the works of cryst’s calculation - I’m sure he wouldn’t be silly enough to have omitted those.

 

[HKOwen]

All of the evidence supports my ‘narrative’ - that’s exactly the point, glad you’re getting it.

Why do you think Israel banned international journalists out of interest?

You are missing the whole point, I hope deliberately rather than stupidly.

The banning of journalists was for operational reasons which I can see from a military perspective, but your attempted deflection does not change the flaws in your narrative.

That's all for now, more interesting things to do so you have plenty of time to come up with some kind of valid reason why the journalists in Gaza during the war would be suitable in any investigation.

I would not believe everything the IDF PR guys say either by the way.

 

[McAhuna]

Yes, McAhuna’s post at #6769 outlining the Legal Definition of Genocide, as defined by the UNGC was incorrect and omitted a vital and required element; either the word ‘protected’ or their full definition, ‘In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group’.

McAhuna was either intentionally selective or just unintentionally wrong, either way it’s not helpful. It does however offer some explanation as to why expressed views and conclusions are often so wide of the mark.

Oh dear.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ), recognize Palestinians as a distinct national group.
Therefore, they fall within the definition to which the term Genocide can be applied.

E minus. Must try harder. Back to the drawing board you go.

Although, I am not sure why you care about international law. You just enjoy inflicting and watching suffering; you already told everyone.

 

[Spindle]

You must be trolling at this point.

I’ve previously shared a website with tens of thousands of videos and images evidencing the genocide - here it is again: Archive Genocide — Documented Gaza Genocide & War Crimes Video Archive

I’ve cited just about every major human rights organisation and charity that work in conflicts, as well as journalists, academics and experts.

You falsely shared a graph of population projections taken before the conflict under the pretence it was a population count and proof of no genocide. I originally corrected you on that graph way back in 2025 when you were peddling the same s***, and here you are back misrepresenting it again. Dishonest as well as dumb I guess.

You’ve been absolutely snookered to the point you had to start talking about trans people and a ‘progressive genocide’ 😂

Insulting language from the left, again.

Posting videos only demonstrates killing, it doesn't demonstrate genocide, numbnuts. Post the figures of the populations - go on! Enough of you gullible jew haters have banged on about this genocide you'd think at least one of you would've put out some actual data on it. Well there's the problem, because all the data shows is an INCREASE in the population. How very inconvenient for your antisemetic bullshit campaign.

The comments I previously made are using your own logic. Fk me you lot are thick.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Insulting language from the left, again.

Posting videos only demonstrates killing, it doesn't demonstrate genocide, numbnuts. Post the figures of the populations - go on! Enough of you gullible jew haters have banged on about this genocide you'd think at least one of you would've put out some actual data on it. Well there's the problem, because all the data shows is an INCREASE in the population. How very inconvenient for your antisemetic bullshit campaign.

The comments I previously made are using your own logic. Fk me you lot are thick.

Given how you conduct yourself on here, I don’t think you can really moan about insulting language - you’re the most angry poster I’ve ever come across, abusing anyone who dares to have a different point of view. Put simply, any that comes back your way is deserved.

There is no accurate population count in a warzone, particularly when hardly any outside organisations are granted access.

THERE IS NO DATA SUPPORTING A POPULATION INCREASE - YOU ARE CITING A PRE-WAR PROJECTION.

Thick or dishonest?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

You are missing the whole point, I hope deliberately rather than stupidly.

The banning of journalists was for operational reasons which I can see from a military perspective, but your attempted deflection does not change the flaws in your narrative.

That's all for now, more interesting things to do so you have plenty of time to come up with some kind of valid reason why the journalists in Gaza during the war would be suitable in any investigation.

I would not believe everything the IDF PR guys say either by the way.

You pick out ‘journalists’ as a single word to challenge in a post, and now accuse me of deflection for talking about journalists.

‘operational reasons’ 😂 - but you don’t believe everything they say.

 

[Spindle]

Given how you conduct yourself on here, I don’t think you can really moan about insulting language - you’re the most angry poster I’ve ever come across, abusing anyone who dares to have a different point of view. Put simply, any that comes back your way is deserved.

There is no accurate population count in a warzone, particularly when hardly any outside organisations are granted access.

THERE IS NO DATA SUPPORTING A POPULATION INCREASE - YOU ARE CITING A PRE-WAR PROJECTION.

Thick or dishonest?

More lies and insinuations. Show me this tirade of insults, but you won't because as usual it's just rank hypocrisy.

So you are admitting it's a made up figure and guesswork then. Finally we got somewhere......

Have you actually done any research into this aside asking pro Gazan "journalists" ??

 

[Spindle]

 

[CPFCSaturn]

More lies and insinuations. Show me this tirade of insults, but you won't because as usual it's just rank hypocrisy.

So you are admitting it's a made up figure and guesswork then. Finally we got somewhere......

Have you actually done any research into this aside asking pro Gazan "journalists" ??

Just read your posts - at least own what you are.

I’m admitting your repeated claims of a rise in population are total bullshit, and yet you keep repeating it. Is that due to dishonesty or stupidity?

I’ve done far more research than you and your Facebook algorithm - I can be certain of that.

 

[cryrst]

Given how you conduct yourself on here, I don’t think you can really moan about insulting language - you’re the most angry poster I’ve ever come across, abusing anyone who dares to have a different point of view. Put simply, any that comes back your way is deserved.

There is no accurate population count in a warzone, particularly when hardly any outside organisations are granted access.

THERE IS NO DATA SUPPORTING A POPULATION INCREASE - YOU ARE CITING A PRE-WAR PROJECTION.

Thick or dishonest?

What is the population of Gaza. Before the attacks and now. I’m using Red Cross data for births and you are using Hamas for deaths ! Which one do you trust more?

 

[Phil’s Barber]

Oh dear.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ), recognize Palestinians as a distinct national group.
Therefore, they fall within the definition to which the term Genocide can be applied.

E minus. Must try harder. Back to the drawing board you go.

Although, I am not sure why you care about international law. You just enjoy inflicting and watching suffering; you already told everyone.

Obviously Palestinians are but I was clearly talking about Hamas…I even said so.

Israel’s stated objectives and intent are to destroy Hamas. Hamas are not a protected group.

Your posted definition was totally incorrect.

Try getting it right, try not going off down a blind alley, try reading people’s posts first before commenting and coming to the wrong conclusions (again).

 

[eaglesdare]

Obviously Palestinians are but I was clearly talking about Hamas…I even said so.

Israel’s stated objectives and intent are to destroy Hamas. Hamas are not a protected group.

Your posted definition was totally incorrect.

Try getting it right, try not going off down a blind alley, try reading people’s posts first before commenting and coming to the wrong conclusions (again).

He did that to me on the professor thread. Once I put him right he went off in a huff for a few weeks and only came back when Ed Sheeran was in the news 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Phil’s Barber]

McAhuna was either intentionally selective or just unintentionally wrong, either way it’s not helpful. It does however offer some explanation as to why expressed views and conclusions are often so wide of the mark.

I’ll refer you to my earlier remarks…

Good of you to reinforce how accurate they were.