Israel v Hamas

I heard a really funny joke it roughly goes like this Hamas attacked Israel on the 7th October 2023 thinking that the rest of the Arab World would rise up and evict Israel, this was a stupid idea in 1967 the Arabs did this with Egypt joining in,the arabs had more troops and on paper more eqipment, Israel won in Six days, the Israeli troops were better trained ,they had better weapons and American logistics. To try a re- run without Egypt was very dumb and the reason they have had their posterior whipped. The lesson is history repeats itself but mankind gets dumber.
 
So peace is coming ? So Palestine can re-open schools that indoctrinate kids that jews are subhuman and must be killed ?
Whatever happened to the De-Nazification that happened in Germany after WWII ?
 
BBS are twisting themselves into knots.

1. It's all Trumps fault this violence has continued, he could have been sorted out if he had acted sooner.
2. Trump's peace deal is rubbish and wont work.
3. If it does work it was nothing to do with Trump but the wisdom of the other Arab states.
4. If in doubt see 1-3
 
BBS are twisting themselves into knots.

1. It's all Trumps fault this violence has continued, he could have been sorted out if he had acted sooner.
2. Trump's peace deal is rubbish and wont work.
3. If it does work it was nothing to do with Trump but the wisdom of the other Arab states.
4. If in doubt see 1-3
Some of it is correct.

It isn’t Trump’s fault. The issues go much deeper and predate Trump by centuries.

It isn’t though a peace deal, so there’s nothing to work. It’s a cease fire. How long it lasts is an open question. Which first demands answers to other questions which have proved intractable.

The Arab States must have leaned on Hamas just as Trump has on the Netanyahu government. What understandings have been made behind the scenes between the Arab States and the USA isn’t known, and may never be known. I very much doubt any of it originated from Trump himself. He’s too dumb to do complicated diplomacy. That won’t stop him claiming the credit.

It seems our own Jonathan Powell, the government’s national security adviser. has had a lot to do with getting the hostages released, being singled out today with praise for his tireless diplomacy. He is quite an asset! Quiet diplomacy is what we do best.
 
The most coherent speech I have heard Trump make. He speaks, and the world must listen.

Trump triumphant.
 
Some of it is correct.

It isn’t Trump’s fault. The issues go much deeper and predate Trump by centuries.

It isn’t though a peace deal, so there’s nothing to work. It’s a cease fire. How long it lasts is an open question. Which first demands answers to other questions which have proved intractable.

The Arab States must have leaned on Hamas just as Trump has on the Netanyahu government. What understandings have been made behind the scenes between the Arab States and the USA isn’t known, and may never be known. I very much doubt any of it originated from Trump himself. He’s too dumb to do complicated diplomacy. That won’t stop him claiming the credit.

It seems our own Jonathan Powell, the government’s national security adviser. has had a lot to do with getting the hostages released, being singled out today with praise for his tireless diplomacy. He is quite an asset! Quiet diplomacy is what we do best.
China could catch him out it seems
 
BBS are twisting themselves into knots.

1. It's all Trumps fault this violence has continued, he could have been sorted out if he had acted sooner.
2. Trump's peace deal is rubbish and wont work.
3. If it does work it was nothing to do with Trump but the wisdom of the other Arab states.
4. If in doubt see 1-3

you forgot to mention that Biden and all the Globalists love to constantly start new Wars.

Trump ends Wars. He also prevents new Wars, such as Western Sahara where he did a deal with Morocco.
 
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Some of it is correct.

It isn’t Trump’s fault. The issues go much deeper and predate Trump by centuries.

It isn’t though a peace deal, so there’s nothing to work. It’s a cease fire. How long it lasts is an open question. Which first demands answers to other questions which have proved intractable.

The Arab States must have leaned on Hamas just as Trump has on the Netanyahu government. What understandings have been made behind the scenes between the Arab States and the USA isn’t known, and may never be known. I very much doubt any of it originated from Trump himself. He’s too dumb to do complicated diplomacy. That won’t stop him claiming the credit.

It seems our own Jonathan Powell, the government’s national security adviser. has had a lot to do with getting the hostages released, being singled out today with praise for his tireless diplomacy. He is quite an asset! Quiet diplomacy is what we do best.

A mixed bag of a reply.

I'd agree with a lot of it up to the last paragraph......though I think that's too harsh on Trump. As I think you miss the woods for the trees on that....It's about what comes with Trump, his Jewish donors, the trust the Zionists have with him. All that is required to even get this ceasefire.....which I'm also skeptical about. It's it silly to think that Trump needs to be on top of the detail....it would be nice....but all administrations employ the intellectual talent for that. Trump only needs to understand the summaries.

But there are obviously other factors at play here and I think you touch on them....I'll add the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the loss of Jewish popularity amongst the American youth and MAGA movement itself (Carlson, Owens)....that is troubling the donor class and Israel a lot.

Your last paragraph though....if it had any influence at all, it would have been minimal at best.
 
Sad yes but

"Huda, who was reported to have coeliac disease...."

It never was a famine, stop trying to claim that lie
My son has this and you do starve as you cannot absorb nutrients. I won’t go into it but eating gluten containing food is the issue. Maybe if she had a non gluten diet she wouldn’t have died. I think this disease is more prevalent in the Middle Eastern and Asian population.
 
As an aside, I also think Netanyahu is supporting the peace plan, because his life depends on it. There are factions in his own Administration who wanted the war to continue. The UN war crimes committee are after him. Plus a few Arabs, no doubt.
I think Trump had to guarantee Netanyahu's long-term safety in order to bring him into line. I think Netanyahu might disappear to the USA when this is over and retire in seclusion. Or if there were any tall buildings left in Gaza, he'd be a red hot favourite to accidentally fall off a balcony.
 
A mixed bag of a reply.

I'd agree with a lot of it up to the last paragraph......though I think that's too harsh on Trump. As I think you miss the woods for the trees on that....It's about what comes with Trump, his Jewish donors, the trust the Zionists have with him. All that is required to even get this ceasefire.....which I'm also skeptical about. It's it silly to think that Trump needs to be on top of the detail....it would be nice....but all administrations employ the intellectual talent for that. Trump only needs to understand the summaries.

But there are obviously other factors at play here and I think you touch on them....I'll add the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the loss of Jewish popularity amongst the American youth and MAGA movement itself (Carlson, Owens)....that is troubling the donor class and Israel a lot.

Your last paragraph though....if it had any influence at all, it would have been minimal at best.
Not according to Witkoff.


From what I have heard he has been involved in relentless shuttle diplomacy in recent weeks stitching together the interests of all the various parties involved.

This leaves Netanyahu in a very tricky situation, caught between his coalition collapsing because he tries to abide by the agreement, and being abandoned by Trump who won’t want to lose face and see the agreement collapse. This kind of complicated reasoning is what Powell is so good at. History will no doubt inform us but I wouldn’t bet against Powell being the architect behind this design.
 
As an aside, I also think Netanyahu is supporting the peace plan, because his life depends on it. There are factions in his own Administration who wanted the war to continue. The UN war crimes committee are after him. Plus a few Arabs, no doubt.
I think Trump had to guarantee Netanyahu's long-term safety in order to bring him into line. I think Netanyahu might disappear to the USA when this is over and retire in seclusion. Or if there were any tall buildings left in Gaza, he'd be a red hot favourite to accidentally fall off a balcony.
I agree with this. He has to face an election a year from now at the latest and every indication is he is going to lose. Israelis blame him for the security breaches that allowed Oct 7 to happen, as well as his interference in the Supreme Court. When I was there a little over 2 years ago there were protests that even I witnessed. If his coalition collapses then he won’t get even another year.

Replacing Netanyahu may be an unofficial part of the overall plan and promising safe haven in the USA, away from both local and international charges, may be the incentive offered to get him to agree to take the action he has. He may know he is now toast, but toast eaten whilst basking in sunshine somewhere with total security is much better than eating it in jail.
 
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Not according to Witkoff.


From what I have heard he has been involved in relentless shuttle diplomacy in recent weeks stitching together the interests of all the various parties involved.

This leaves Netanyahu in a very tricky situation, caught between his coalition collapsing because he tries to abide by the agreement, and being abandoned by Trump who won’t want to lose face and see the agreement collapse. This kind of complicated reasoning is what Powell is so good at. History will no doubt inform us but I wouldn’t bet against Powell being the architect behind this design.

Interesting.

Maybe there's more to it....or maybe it's all just diplomacy speak.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that's there's more to it.
 

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