Israel v Hamas

[Penge Eagle]

No, I want to qualify your claim that it’s not a genocide, which you so far have completely failed to do.

I have no intention of defending Hamas - shall I copy and paste the blurb where I state that I think both sides are genocidal terrorists again? I thought I’d get at least another week out of the last one.

There’s a real theme on this thread of people putting words in my mouth because they have no answer to my actual points.

You think the more you keep saying 'genocide' the more it makes it true! The truth will come out in time. But of course you KNOW for sure because it said so on the telly box.

Oh and your 'experts' said so. When I have 'experts' who say the opposite.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

No, I want to qualify your claim that it’s not a genocide, which you so far have completely failed to do.

I have no intention of defending Hamas - shall I copy and paste the blurb where I state that I think both sides are genocidal terrorists again? I thought I’d get at least another week out of the last one.

There’s a real theme on this thread of people putting words in my mouth because they have no answer to my actual points.

So you are still arguing about definitions rather than face up to the bigger picture?

Not much point in repeating myself again. I have told you why it isn't genocide half a dozen times.
It's obvious to those who want to see.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It's got nothing to do with Arab/Muslims... Actually more people are indifferent to Sudan today where other experts are warning of genocide. No marches, no media coverage.

Nobody justifies war crimes, they are inevitable and I have previously stated Israel probably has committed those, unwittingly or not. Maybe don't start a war in the first place?

Similar in Nigeria where the estimates of Christians killed since 2000 range from 50,000 to over 125,000.

 

[georgenorman]

Similar in Nigeria where the estimates of Christians killed since 2000 range from 50,000 to over 125,000.

That's right. The current conflict in Israel is just a battle in the wider war of Islam against the Christian/Jewish, democratic West and allies. It's a war, I know whose side I'm on and I know whose side the anti-Christian, anti-Jew, anti-West, Left are on.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

It's got nothing to do with Arab/Muslims... Actually more people are indifferent to Sudan today where other experts are warning of genocide. No marches, no media coverage.

Nobody justifies war crimes, they are inevitable and I have previously stated Israel probably has committed those, unwittingly or not. Maybe don't start a war in the first place?

I hope even you can see the irony in now trying to claim the religion of the victims is not relevant… after how many hundreds of posts insisting every criticism of Israel is tied to religion.

People’s indifference to the genocide has plenty to do with the ethnicity and/or religion of those being slaughtered - see George’s latest post for the proof of that.

Plenty do justify war crimes - you can find dozens of examples on this thread, many of them your own.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

You think the more you keep saying 'genocide' the more it makes it true! The truth will come out in time. But of course you KNOW for sure because it said so on the telly box.

Oh and your 'experts' said so. When I have 'experts' who say the opposite.

It’s not me making the claim of genocide - it’s the long list of people and bodies I mentioned who are. I’m happy to accept their assessment over yours and Hrolf’s.

The piece I still don’t understand is why you think you know better than them?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

So you are still arguing about definitions rather than face up to the bigger picture?

Not much point in repeating myself again. I have told you why it isn't genocide half a dozen times.
It's obvious to those who want to see.

I’m not arguing about definitions - I’m just highlighting that you are making claims that you’re not qualified to make.

Your explanation is that ‘people die in war’, suggesting that genocide scholars, the UN, amnesty international etc. aren’t familiar with such incredibly complicated ideas when determining if they consider something genocide.

The fact you think that is a credible argument is frankly hilarious.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I’m not arguing about definitions - I’m just highlighting that you are making claims that you’re not qualified to make.

Your explanation is that ‘people die in war’, suggesting that genocide scholars, the UN, amnesty international etc. aren’t familiar with such incredibly complicated ideas when determining if they consider something genocide.

The fact you think that is a credible argument is frankly hilarious.

All the organisations you mention are not neutral. They are bound to shout 'genocide' at every opportunity.
You are hiding behind this little rock because you know full well the reality of the conflict, but can't admit it.
I'm not interested in arguing about the validity of definitions. I see two sides locked in an eternal struggle until one is destroyed.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

All the organisations you mention are not neutral. They are bound to shout 'genocide' at every opportunity.
You are hiding behind this little rock because you know full well the reality of the conflict, but can't admit it.
I'm not interested in arguing about the validity of definitions. I see two sides locked in an eternal struggle until one is destroyed.

But they don’t shout genocide at every opportunity - just some basic research would tell you that.

I’m not hiding behind anything - your argument is underpinned by a delusion that you have a better understanding of what constitutes a genocide than the aforementioned bodies and individuals.

You have provided absolutely nothing to back it up and seem to think just repeating “it’s not a genocide” is a convincing argument.

 

[Spindle]

It's not any more a genocide than it is a famine.

If only Greta's flotilla would've got through, that would've meant a few pitta breads for the kids. Same with her "medical supplies", all those boxes of plasters would've prevented the deaths. No genocide, no famine. Thanks Greta.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

But they don’t shout genocide at every opportunity - just some basic research would tell you that.

I’m not hiding behind anything - your argument is underpinned by a delusion that you have a better understanding of what constitutes a genocide than the aforementioned bodies and individuals.

You have provided absolutely nothing to back it up and seem to think just repeating “it’s not a genocide” is a convincing argument.

It's a war.
Just like Dresden. Just like Hiroshima.

I'd say that destroying entire cities simply to demoralise the enemy is probably worse than what is happening now, because Hamas hide among civilians on purpose.

But you keep shouting genocide if it makes you feel better. None of the dead will be resurrected.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

It's a war.
Just like Dresden, Just like Hiroshima.

I'd say that destroying entire cities simply to demoralise the enemy is probably worse than what is happening now, because Hamas hide among civilians on purpose.

But you keep shouting genocide if it makes you feel better. None of the dead will be resurrected.

Oh of course! Can’t believe no one else had thought of that!

I will indeed keep calling it a genocide, and you can keep supporting it.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Oh of course! Can’t believe no one else had thought of that!

I will indeed keep calling it a genocide, and you can keep supporting it.

Good for you.

Hamas would probably kill you for being a traitor. Oh, and being British.

 

[Spindle]

No, it's for being an athiest. That's the biggest sin of all, christians are offered conversion or death, there's just death for atheists.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

No, it's for being an athiest. That's the biggest sin of all, christians are offered conversion or death, there's just death for atheists.

But those Jews and their Friday night dinners. They are a threat to our culture.

 

[steeleye20]

'British public are no longer buying media and government misinformation and lies over their governments involvement in the Israel genocide in Gaza'.

The value of UK arms imported by Israel has reached a record high value in 2025, FactCheck can exclusively reveal.

Our analysis of Israel Tax Authority customs data finds that Israel imported nearly £1 million worth of UK munitions in the first nine months of the year.

That’s more than double the amount received in any of the previous three years.

😎

 

[Bassak]

Interesting article

Starmer admits: UK is antisemitic hellhole

The UK is now a hostile environment for Jews.

lauraperrins.substack.com

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

'British public are no longer buying media and government misinformation and lies over their governments involvement in the Israel genocide in Gaza'.

The value of UK arms imported by Israel has reached a record high value in 2025, FactCheck can exclusively reveal.

Our analysis of Israel Tax Authority customs data finds that Israel imported nearly £1 million worth of UK munitions in the first nine months of the year.

That’s more than double the amount received in any of the previous three years.

😎

I'm sure you'd prefer them to buy arms from your friends in Russia or China.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It's got nothing to do with Arab/Muslims... Actually more people are indifferent to Sudan today where other experts are warning of genocide. No marches, no media coverage.

Nobody justifies war crimes, they are inevitable and I have previously stated Israel probably has committed those, unwittingly or not. Maybe don't start a war in the first place?

That’s clearly untrue. Israel does and so do posters here.

They aren’t inevitable. In Israel’s case they are a deliberate tactic.

 

[cryrst]

It's all getting rather unhinged - I can't fathom how you end up being more outraged at people protesting than people being massacred.

These people are indirectly supporting the catalysts for said massacre. Do you not actually understand that. Every one is sad about the deaths of innocents so why are these not anti Hamas protests ?