Israel v Hamas

[Penge Eagle]

Not in 2000.

To clarify, in that year Hamas operated in Gaza and parts of the West Bank. Hamas was not involved in the negotiations but they opposed the peace process and carried out suicide bombings to sabotage them in what was the best deal Palestine would ever get.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I'll point to the reply I had yesterday which was; "Cry me a river jew hater".

That is very obvious trolling and nothing to do with 'challenging opinions'. I think I've more than demonstrated a willingness to have my opinions challenged on here, and I think it's in very poor faith to suggest that is what I am highlighting.

People may not get banned from here, but the consequence of the seemingly permitted trolling and abuse is exactly the same - an echo chamber.

The language can get a little hostile in emotive debates, but in general it is very civilised here.

I can only tell you that on other football sites related to this club, there have been threats of violence, abuse and accusations of the most unpleasant kind imaginable, all aimed at posters simply because they hold a particular opinion.

The internet is not a place for the timid, and playing the victim really won't cut it, especially in the relative civility of the HOL.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

The language can get a little hostile in emotive debates, but in general it is very civilised here.

I can only tell you that on other football sites related to this club, there have been threats of violence, abuse and accusations of the most unpleasant kind imaginable, all aimed at posters simply because they hold a particular opinion.

The internet is not a place for the timid, and playing the victim really won't cut it, especially in the relative civility of the HOL.

Threats on a fan site are an odd choice when the person with whom anyone disagreed might be the violent psychopath who sits in front of them for every home game and might well be a bit more handy than a keyboard warrior.

 

[chris123]

The language can get a little hostile in emotive debates, but in general it is very civilised here.

I can only tell you that on other football sites related to this club, there have been threats of violence, abuse and accusations of the most unpleasant kind imaginable, all aimed at posters simply because they hold a particular opinion.

The internet is not a place for the timid, and playing the victim really won't cut it, especially in the relative civility of the HOL.

They need Odin then as Supreme Leader and moderator.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Here's a history of the region for Wisbech to disagree with

His opinion piece at the end is debateable

It seems it’s you who is arguing!

It’s produced by Matt Baker, himself Jewish so more likely to see things historically from a Jewish viewpoint but nonetheless is entitled to his view. He does though acknowledge the behaviour of Israel to be unacceptable and that the Palestinians have a right to statehood so no doubt would enjoy a debate with you.

 

[chris123]

It seems it’s you who is arguing!

It’s produced by Matt Baker, himself Jewish so more lively to see things historically from a Jewish viewpoint but nonetheless id entitled to his view. He does though acknowledge the behaviour of Israel to be unacceptable and that the Palestinians have a right to statehood so no doubt would enjoy a debate with you.

It starts on a website called islamicity I think, looks like a right wing journalist

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You talk like a plate of beans negotiating themselves through a cows digestive system.

His face is on display, we can see who he is, see and hear him talking you f***ing troll

Have you ever heard of AI?

I came across this earlier, after by the way, I first expressed my doubts about the authenticity of the video, because of a lack of verification. It makes some of the same points:-

Gaza-bound flotilla rejects Israeli claims of Hamas funding

The Israeli Foreign Ministry claimed that documents found in Gaza prove Hamas’ direct involvement in the humanitarian mission. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

 

[cryrst]

These nazis won't spare a moment of silence, they will chant for more deaths. They don't even want peace because they want Israel and Jews dead, all from the comfort of the west.

And then the rest of us. That is the scary point these idiots don’t get. After the Jews it was the gypsies for hitler and then another group. How f***ed up not to actually understand this. It’s already happening in the west with the bowing down to Islam. The religion of peace !

 

[cryrst]

So you were only posting about the Clinton parameters in 2000.

Even under the previous ‘nice’ government it was refused. What is your point exactly as from here I only see that Muslims want all Jews dead.

 

[chris123]

Even under the previous ‘nice’ government it was refused. What is your point exactly as from here I only see that Muslims want all Jews dead.

There was a post upthread with a link but no narrative and it was unclear to me what point the poster was making

 

[cryrst]

There was a post upthread with a link but no narrative and it was unclear to me what point the poster was making

But why did this deal get refused when it was offered. Gaza was or deemed less confrontational back then. My point stands I feel.

 

[chris123]

But why did this deal get refused when it was offered. Gaza was or deemed less confrontational back then. My point stands I feel.

Well it was 25 years ago Bill Clinton thought it was a good plan, it was the end of his presidency and no one else thought his idea had legs in the new administration or beyond and Hamas had nothing to do with it

 

[Penge Eagle]

Well it was 25 years ago Bill Clinton thought it was a good plan, it was the end of his presidency and no one else thought his idea had legs in the new administration or beyond and Hamas had nothing to do with it

Do you think it was a bad deal?

 

[Spindle]

Not in 2000.

Hamas were present and had serious influence. You don't seriously think they just magically appeared when Arafat died do you?

 

[Spindle]

To clarify, in that year Hamas operated in Gaza and parts of the West Bank. Hamas was not involved in the negotiations but they opposed the peace process and carried out suicide bombings to sabotage them in what was the best deal Palestine would ever get.

Exactly

 

[beak]

Hamas were present and had serious influence. You don't seriously think they just magically appeared when Arafat died do you?

I'm sure they emerged from aladin's lamp.

 

[Spindle]

It seems it’s you who is arguing!

It’s produced by Matt Baker, himself Jewish so more likely to see things historically from a Jewish viewpoint but nonetheless is entitled to his view. He does though acknowledge the behaviour of Israel to be unacceptable and that the Palestinians have a right to statehood so no doubt would enjoy a debate with you.

You're Jewish, according to you, and you expect everyone to listen to your absolute bullshit

 

[cryrst]

Well it was 25 years ago Bill Clinton thought it was a good plan, it was the end of his presidency and no one else thought his idea had legs in the new administration or beyond and Hamas had nothing to do with it

Maybe because he got the middle finger others thought what’s the point.
Hamas were in the back ground backed by Lebanon or some other s*** hole around the Manor
Hamas need ironing out end of !

 

[chris123]

Do you think it was a bad deal?

Only Bill Clinton is talking about it since and Hamas had nothing to do with it at any level, what Spindle posted earlier is wholly incorrect

 

[Spindle]

Have you ever heard of AI?

I came across this earlier, after by the way, I first expressed my doubts about the authenticity of the video, because of a lack of verification. It makes some of the same points:-

Gaza-bound flotilla rejects Israeli claims of Hamas funding

The Israeli Foreign Ministry claimed that documents found in Gaza prove Hamas’ direct involvement in the humanitarian mission. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

Ha ha ha you're claiming it's faked by ai now are you.

The lengths you go to when cornered are hilarious. 🤣. You're embarrassing.