Israel v Hamas

[Wisbech Eagle]

Bomber Harris once said "they sowed the wind, now they shall reap the whirlwind"

It wasn't unexpected.

To put this in perspective, this translates to an equivalence in England, of 10,000 people murdered and 1600 hostages.

In the USA it translates to as many murdered in a day as they took in soldier KIA in the entire Vietnam war.

And Saturn thinks we would be restrained. It's f***ing delusional.

Bomber Harris was widely criticised once the echoes of the war faded. In his defence he was pursuing a policy intended to sabotage the morale of the German people so they would see their position was helpless and turn on the Nazis. The situation in Gaza isn’t like that. The people already know their position is helpless but seemingly don’t have the capacity to challenge the leadership. Perhaps because they are so weak from hunger and exhausted by just needing to survive? Get food and shelter to them, show them compassion and medical support and perhaps they will start to blame Hamas.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950732838560780616

 

[Eagleman13]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950732838560780616

"As ever, a completely biased summary propped up by half-truths and selective presentation."

What good for one view is good for the other, don't you think?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

"As ever, a completely biased summary propped up by half-truths and selective presentation."

What good for one view is good for the other, don't you think?

It's a witness giving a first-hand account of what he saw and heard - it's not a summary by me, is it?

God, you're struggling on this thread 🤣

 

[Eagleman13]

It's a witness giving a first-hand account of what he saw and heard - it's not a summary by me, is it?

God, you're struggling on this thread 🤣

I'm just trying to fathom out what it is that you want to do about the situation, which has escalated to the point of no return. One side started it(stupidly), the other side will finish it. It's nothing to do with us. If it upsets you so much, go do something about it, just don't continually bore us on a football thread. Debate is good, try to remember that.

As for struggling, lol, not a hope in hell's chance, but, if it makes you feel better to belittle people, crack on.

 

[steeleye20]

Silence from the United States.

Is it because they are realising what they have done?

'My people starting to hate Israel'

Then do something about it, Trump

😡

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I'm just trying to fathom out what it is that you want to do about the situation, which has escalated to the point of no return. One side started it(stupidly), the other side will finish it. It's nothing to do with us. If it upsets you so much, go do something about it, just don't continually bore us on a football thread. Debate is good, try to remember that.

As for struggling, lol, not a hope in hell's chance, but, if it makes you feel better to belittle people, crack on.

This isn't a football thread - it's a thread specifically about the topic I am posting about, funny enough. If that doesn't interest you, you could always engage with one of the hundreds of other threads.

If I bore you, please do feel free to hit that ignore button - I promise I won't mind.

Trying to shame someone for doing exactly what the website is designed to do (post your opinions about things) is utterly pathetic.

You are drastically struggling, so much so that your only argument is that you want me to stop posting - as I said yesterday, I think that's the absolute pits of online debate.

I will happily belittle people who attempt to do the same to me.

 

[silvertop]

"As ever, a completely biased summary propped up by half-truths and selective presentation."

What good for one view is good for the other, don't you think?

Who said the words in quotes?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

It's a witness giving a first-hand account of what he saw and heard - it's not a summary by me, is it?

God, you're struggling on this thread 🤣

Do you have any first hand accounts of October 7th you want to share?

Just for balance.

 

[Eagleman13]

Who said the words in quotes?

CPFCSaturn. From a post at 11.32 today, I believe.

 

[Eagleman13]

This isn't a football thread - it's a thread specifically about the topic I am posting about, funny enough. If that doesn't interest you, you could always engage with one of the hundreds of other threads.

If I bore you, please do feel free to hit that ignore button - I promise I won't mind.

Trying to shame someone for doing exactly what the website is designed to do (post your opinions about things) is utterly pathetic.

You are drastically struggling, so much so that your only argument is that you want me to stop posting - as I said yesterday, I think that's the absolute pits of online debate.

I will happily belittle people who attempt to do the same to me.

Bless.

 

[Spindle]

Bomber Harris was widely criticised once the echoes of the war faded. In his defence he was pursuing a policy intended to sabotage the morale of the German people so they would see their position was helpless and turn on the Nazis. The situation in Gaza isn’t like that. The people already know their position is helpless but seemingly don’t have the capacity to challenge the leadership. Perhaps because they are so weak from hunger and exhausted by just needing to survive? Get food and shelter to them, show them compassion and medical support and perhaps they will start to blame Hamas.

You sure?

1 you claimed indiscriminate carpet bombing
2 brutal regime in charge that doesn't care about it's people
3 unable to change leadership (Nazis did not get challenged by the people)
4 Hunger from blockade

It's the same.

And you are telling us that the IDF should now put an arm around them? It's delusional.

Btw, Harris targeted industry, what do you think the pathfinder mosquitos were for?

 

[Spindle]

Silence from the United States.

Is it because they are realising what they have done?

'My people starting to hate Israel'

Then do something about it, Trump

😡

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[HKOwen]

The Saudi minister who said Israel should be towed to Alaska is actually suggesting a viable solution.

Israel is dependent on the USA, an oligarchy not a democracy, and really a jewish one, unfortunately the worlds no.1 power but its declining rapidly.

Only the United States is left as Israel's provider, it is a state on US benefits.

They could watch Hollywood holocaust movies together in splendid isolation, secure and safe.

What they are doing here a genocide in plain sight, is repulsing all normal people, they are just so beyond any reason.

The jew hater is back, and now we know the USA is a Jewish oligarchy.

To be fair this odious pindividual has been consistently hating jews and supporting the eradication of Israel since day one o here, so his bile is not past Oct 7th massacre, he has been on the jew hate bandwaghon for a long time.

I don't really get why his blatant hatred is just dismissed on here as the ravings of our pet marxist

 

[Penge Eagle]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950895477873856964

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You sure?

1 you claimed indiscriminate carpet bombing
2 brutal regime in charge that doesn't care about it's people
3 unable to change leadership (Nazis did not get challenged by the people)
4 Hunger from blockade

It's the same.

And you are telling us that the IDF should now put an arm around them? It's delusional.

Btw, Harris targeted industry, what do you think the pathfinder mosquitos were for?

1) I didn’t. I claimed a disregard for civilian casualties.
2) That’s true, but doesn’t excuse the Israeli response.
3) The intention was to weaken morale and shorten the war as a consequence.
4) There was no hunger in Germany in WW2 or allied policy of starvation. There was rationing, just as we had it.

It’s nothing like the same.

Bomber Harris conducted area bombing, hitting both industrial and civilian infrastructure in the areas. Resulting in large losses of civilian life.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

1) I didn’t. I claimed a disregard for civilian casualties.
2) That’s true, but doesn’t excuse the Israeli response.
3) The intention was to weaken morale and shorten the war as a consequence.
4) There was no hunger in Germany in WW2 or allied policy of starvation. There was rationing, just as we had it.

It’s nothing like the same.

Bomber Harris conducted area bombing, hitting both industrial and civilian infrastructure in the areas. Resulting in large losses of civilian life.

Not as many losses of civilian life as the Germans were responsible for themselves. They killed millions.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950895477873856964

What do you think this means?

As the report says intercepted peacefully by hungry people or by force by others. It doesn’t say by Hamas! Do you know the balance, because I don’t?

A lack of security provided by Israel who are responsible for it?

More questions than answers?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Not as many losses of civilian life as the Germans were responsible for themselves. They killed millions.

Whataboutery rears it’s ugly head again!

Nobody suggested otherwise. It wasn’t the subject.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Whataboutery rears it’s ugly head again!

Nobody suggested otherwise. It wasn’t the subject.

The customary get out clause rears it's uglier head as usual.
The subject is the monstrous tyranny that had be defeated by any means possible. The allies could have adopted your usual policy of bringing out the guitars and singing peace anthems but adopted for a realistic policy. Complaining that their civilian deaths outnumbered ours is like saying it wasn't fair that the Russian army was too big to fight.
The answer would be - don't invade and bomb other countries.