Israel v Hamas

CPFCSaturn said:
Me: "According to recent YouGov polling, only 14% of people disagree with recognising Palestine as a state, so you are very much in the minority."

You: "The vast majority want a state, but they don't want it now, today, as a threat to Israel, because it rewards Hamas. Not that Hamas want that, they don't care about a state, they want the Jews dead whether "Palestine" exists on a map or not."

Me: "The YouGov poll I reference was conducted 5 days ago"

You: "That's not what I said at all"

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Thick then. Shame.

tHey DoN't WaNT a sTAte tOdaY cOS iT rEwArDs TeRRoRiSts 4 TErRoR, ThEy wANt A sTAte aT sOmE pOInT tHoUgh dOeSn'T mAtTeR wHEn PoLl tAkeN
 
Spindle said:
Thick then. Shame.

tHey DoN't WaNT a sTAte tOdaY cOS iT rEwArDs TeRRoRiSts 4 TErRoR, ThEy wANt A sTAte aT sOmE pOInT tHoUgh dOeSn'T mAtTeR wHEn PoLl tAkeN
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So you’ve inserted your own condition to the poll, as well as inventing a result to your invented conditional poll.

And you call me thick 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Sorry but this is just flat out bullshit.

According to recent YouGov polling, only 14% of people disagree with recognising Palestine as a state, so you are very much in the minority.
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People once overwhelmingly believed the earth was flat or smoking was healthy.

Facts and evidence matters more than popularity.
 
Penge Eagle said:
People once overwhelmingly believed the earth was flat or smoking was healthy.

Facts and evidence matters more than popularity.
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That’s largely irrelevant to what I said - the post I replied to was about Starmer’s decision and how it was going to prove his downfall as PM.

I was highlighting that polling would suggest it’s actually a popular decision by Starmer.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
We can leave aside for the purposes of this discussion the Israeli justification for taking over the distribution of aid and excluding the UN.

What matters in this discussion is that they have done so.

Nor does it matter who reports on the consequences and points out the hypocrisy and propaganda involved in showing huge dumps of aid that the UN cannot deliver because the IDF won’t permit them to.

Israel now controls all aid distribution. They are therefore solely responsible for the current situation.

No amount of deflection can disguise that fact.
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So you are criticising Israel for distributing aid to an enemy they are at war with, which is pretty unprecedented.

You don't criticise Hamas for not providing aid to its own people. And steal it to sell at high profit.

You really are a Hamas cheerleader, aren't you.
 
Well, the neighborhood bully, he’s just one man
His enemies say he’s on their land
They got him outnumbered about a million to one
He got no place to escape to, no place to run
He’s the neighborhood bully

The neighborhood bully just lives to survive
He’s criticized and condemned for being alive
He’s not supposed to fight back, he’s supposed to have thick skin
He’s supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in
He’s the neighborhood bully

The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land
He’s wandered the earth an exiled man
Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn
He’s always on trial for just being born
He’s the neighborhood bully

Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized
Old women condemned him, said he should apologize
Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad
The bombs were meant for him. He was supposed to feel bad
He’s the neighborhood bully

Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
That he’ll live by the rules that the world makes for him
Because there’s a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac
He’s the neighborhood bully

He got no allies to really speak of
What he gets he must pay for, he don’t get it out of love
He buys obsolete weapons and he won’t be denied
But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side
He’s the neighborhood bully

Well, he’s surrounded by pacifists who all want peace
They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease
Now, they wouldn’t hurt a fly. To hurt one they would weep
They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep
He’s the neighborhood bully

Every empire that’s enslaved him is gone
Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon
He’s made a garden of paradise in the desert sand
In bed with nobody, under no one’s command
He’s the neighborhood bully

Now his holiest books have been trampled upon
No contract he signed was worth what it was written on
He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth
Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health
He’s the neighborhood bully

What’s anybody indebted to him for?
Nothing, they say. He just likes to cause war
Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed
They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed
He’s the neighborhood bully

What has he done to wear so many scars?
Does he change the course of rivers? Does he pollute the moon and stars?
Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill
Running out the clock, time standing still
Neighborhood bully.

[Bob Dylan Infidels]
 
CPFCSaturn said:
That’s largely irrelevant to what I said - the post I replied to was about Starmer’s decision and how it was going to prove his downfall as PM.

I was highlighting that polling would suggest it’s actually a popular decision by Starmer.
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Amazing how much time you spend on this.

A shame you don't have so much to say about the invasion of your own country.

Well I assume it's your country.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Amazing how much time you spend replying to me.
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So why don't you use your energy complaining about the invasion of your own country?

I can keep asking the question.
 
Spindle said:
Like all of those waving flags alongside the Muslims they've welcomed in, he hates Britain.
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I'm keen to hear his denial.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I don’t hate Britain at all. It’s my home, and part of why I speak up is that I don’t want my country complicit in genocide.
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Your obsession is with Israel.

You barely post about anything else. I'd have thought that there was plenty at home to be complaining about.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Just untrue - I’ve made dozens of posts on Palace/transfer threads today, as well as the Rachel Reeves thread.

So indeed, plenty to complain about.
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A quick look at your recent post history says that apart from football related threads, the vast majority are about this topic.
 
DanH said:
I always find it’s the so called ‘patriots’ that seem to hate everything about this country.
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They do seem to think their particular brand of patriotism is the only one that counts.

But I don’t think this is really anything to do with their posts here - they’ve just run out of angles to defend Israel but don’t want to concede.
 
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