Israel v Hamas

[Badadmcmad]

Help me out here, when are Maccabi Tel Aviv playing in Brussels? Or perhaps you can provide another diatribe denying this as a Jew Hunt

Several people arrested in Antwerp following calls for 'Jew hunt'

Belgium's anti-terror body pointed to copycat behaviour, as authorities believe last week's violence in Amsterdam triggered the call for attacks in Antwerp.

www.brusselstimes.com

Sorry, I asked if you had evidence or a report of how many Israeli's were arrested for their violence and vandalism. As well as who were the hospitalised.

Do you think this was 'kristallnacht' as Netenyahu said?

Here's a commentary you may not have considered:

 

[Stirlingsays]

Disagree. It's not the same thing, it's not a double standard. If you refer to the proportion of Israelis who are fascists, you are referring to that group.

What you have done is taken someone who has explicitly identified his political ideology as democratic socialist but you have gone to to the effort to call him a communist.

Two different things.

Yeah, you've played the man not the ball, as I said.

Do you have any other supportive of contradictory evidence of events?

Any relevant contribution or assessment to share that is relevant to what happened or Israel/Palestine conflict related to the evidence presented? Others have presented evidence and reports.


The rest of the discussion is all really going far off topic and while insightful into your outlook, are distractions.

As an aside, you said Ash Sarkar let her mask slip..? On national TV she quite openly and strongly told Piers she's 'a communist, you idiot'. Not really any mask there.

As I have stated Jones can label himself as he likes and I can decide for myself whether the term, 'democratic socialist' amounts to more than a distinction without a difference, which is also how I regard your suggestion that political labelling is ok in one instance but not another.

However, as I've said, someone like Jones does believe in economic socialism (high state control, but a still backed mixed economy) rather than economic communism (full state economic control and ownership), so as I stated earlier, his communism relates to his Maoist social policies.....and that's communism. So it's certainly true that we disagree.

He is close friends with Sakar for a reason and that reason is that they don't disagree on much.

Your point regarding Sakar herself is a reasonable one, and she doesn't appear to wish to hide her position.....and indeed despite their ideology having killed far more people than any other I have never had any issues with communists being in Britain based upon the freedom of speech perspective and I know they have a well maintained national headquarters in London.

For referring to the event myself I haven't referred to it much precisely because I've stated that I don't trust the sources to be reasonably objective.....whether it's Jones or the mainstream media.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Whose side are you on?

Harrowing video shows Hamas torturing innocent Palestinians

The horrifying incidents appear to have been filmed inadvertently by CCTV cameras inside a Hamas military base in northern Gaza raided by Israeli troops this year

www.dailymail.co.uk

Taking sides is what it's all about. Divide (opinion) and conquer. I think what a lot of posters are upset about is the continuingly high death toll of civilians
As with most wars, this is completely stoppable, and aside from wiping out the Palestinian race, the ultimate goals are still not recognised/publicised.
Israel acting as a US proxy to launch an all out attack on Iran ? we can only guess.

 

[Spiderman]

Sorry, I asked if you had evidence or a report of how many Israeli's were arrested for their violence and vandalism. As well as who were the hospitalised.

Do you think this was 'kristallnacht' as Netenyahu said?

Here's a commentary you may not have considered:

If you actually read my posts I have already answered that, there does not appear to be any breakdown of those arrested, no breakdown of those hospitalised.

Israeli soccer fans attacked in Amsterdam, with 5 hospitalized and dozens of suspects arrested

Israeli and Dutch leaders have condemned a mass attack on Israeli soccer fans in Amsterdam as clear and violent antisemitism.

www.cbsnews.com

Now I am sure you will put your own twist on that. Do you agree now that there were/are groups advocating a Jew Hunt? What are your views on that?

 

[Penge Eagle]

Taking sides is what it's all about. Divide (opinion) and conquer. I think what a lot of posters are upset about is the continuingly high death toll of civilians
As with most wars, this is completely stoppable, and aside from wiping out the Palestinian race, the ultimate goals are still not recognised/publicised.
Israel acting as a US proxy to launch an all out attack on Iran ? we can only guess.

I agree that people should be concerned at the number of civilian deaths but this is all the fault of Hamas. Unfortunately in war, civilians die. It's very interesting that people are super concerned about Palestinian deaths over others killed in war. It's those pesky Jews!

Israel wants peace and has no interest in wiping out any race, while Hamas has openly stated they want Jews eradicated. Picking sides is very easy: Western values and democracy or Islamic Jihad?

 

[Eagleman13]

Sorry, I asked if you had evidence or a report of how many Israeli's were arrested for their violence and vandalism. As well as who were the hospitalised.

Do you think this was 'kristallnacht' as Netenyahu said?

Here's a commentary you may not have considered:

It was on the eve of the anniversary, that is why Netenyahu mentioned it.

Amsterdam: New arrests over violence after Ajax-Maccabi football match

A tram is vandalised in new rioting in Amsterdam, days after the attacks on Israeli football fans.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Why do you think HAMAs was voted for by the Palestinians. ?

Perhaps because they've had decades of Israelis treating them as third-class citizens. Israeli 'settlers' armed to the teeth, razing Palestinian villages to the ground, stealing their farmland and killing those that put up resistance.
Palestinians being at the back of the queue for hospital treatment and food. Water supplies stopped and power cuts and an almost daily basis.
HAMAS offered the Palestinians some hope.
Butchering civilians, whoever does it, is not the answer. Not in the short term, or more importantly, trying to get a long-term settlement.
Taking sides isn't going to get this situation resolved.

 

[cryrst]

Why do you think HAMAs was voted for by the Palestinians. ?

Perhaps because they've had decades of Israelis treating them as third-class citizens. Israeli 'settlers' armed to the teeth, razing Palestinian villages to the ground, stealing their farmland and killing those that put up resistance.
Palestinians being at the back of the queue for hospital treatment and food. Water supplies stopped and power cuts and an almost daily basis.
HAMAS offered the Palestinians some hope.
Butchering civilians, whoever does it, is not the answer. Not in the short term, or more importantly, trying to get a long-term settlement.
Taking sides isn't going to get this situation resolved.

It was part of the Arab spring. That went well for about… none !

 

[Penge Eagle]

Why do you think HAMAs was voted for by the Palestinians. ?

Perhaps because they've had decades of Israelis treating them as third-class citizens. Israeli 'settlers' armed to the teeth, razing Palestinian villages to the ground, stealing their farmland and killing those that put up resistance.
Palestinians being at the back of the queue for hospital treatment and food. Water supplies stopped and power cuts and an almost daily basis.
HAMAS offered the Palestinians some hope.
Butchering civilians, whoever does it, is not the answer. Not in the short term, or more importantly, trying to get a long-term settlement.
Taking sides isn't going to get this situation resolved.

The Palestinians have not been able to vote since 2006! One of the problems being those nice chaps Hamas gunning down and torturing their political rivals Fatah. In fact, a poll in 2023 showed that Hamas are deeply unpopular.

Gaza could have been a Singapore but is now a terrorist dystopia. Of course it's Israel's fault that the wealthy Hamas leaders have stolen from their own people and are worth $ billions. Hamas offered them hope? While the public live in poverty, Hamas has been spending millions on weapons, firing thousands of rockets into Israel and have built a vast terrorist tunnel network. I don't think Sharia law is the kind of future they really want either.

Taking sides is essential to a resolution. Hamas needs to be obliterated so the Palestinians can live in peace and prosperity. Israel wants nothing to do with Gaza and the only solution is it being administered by a third party once Hamas has been dismantled.

 

[cryrst]

The Palestinians have not been able to vote since 2006! One of the problems being those nice chaps Hamas gunning down and torturing their political rivals Fatah. In fact, a poll in 2023 showed that Hamas are deeply unpopular.

Gaza could have been a Singapore but is now a terrorist dystopia. Of course it's Israel's fault that the wealthy Hamas leaders have stolen from their own people and are worth $ billions. Hamas offered them hope? While the public live in poverty, Hamas has been spending millions on weapons, firing thousands of rockets into Israel and have built a vast terrorist tunnel network. I don't think Sharia law is the kind of future they really want either.

Taking sides is essential to a resolution. Hamas needs to be obliterated so the Palestinians can live in peace and prosperity. Israel wants nothing to do with Gaza and the only solution is it being administered by a third party once Hamas has been dismantled.

Stop telling it how it is. It is most uncomfortable !

 

[Badadmcmad]

...their ideology having killed far more people than any other...

You are sayingnJones' and Sarkar's ideologies have killed far more people than any other...

An entirely unqualified and unquantified statement in need of a PhD thesis to examine, I would imagine.

For referring to the event myself I haven't referred to it much precisely because I've stated that I don't trust the sources to be reasonably objective.....whether it's Jones or the mainstream media.

So without presentation of your own sources, this is an admission of your own lack of reasonable objectivity. Undermining all your positions, as judged by your own standards.

 

[Badadmcmad]

It was on the eve of the anniversary, that is why Netenyahu mentioned it.

Amsterdam: New arrests over violence after Ajax-Maccabi football match

A tram is vandalised in new rioting in Amsterdam, days after the attacks on Israeli football fans.

www.bbc.co.uk

""Tomorrow, 86 years ago, was Kristallnacht - an attack on Jews just for being Jews, on European soil," Netanyahu said. "It's back now - yesterday we saw it on the streets of Amsterdam.”"

Netanyahu compares Amsterdam attacks to Kristallnacht

"Tomorrow, 86 years ago, was Kristallnacht - an attack on Jews just for being Jews, on European soil," Netanyahu said. "It's back now - yesterday we saw it on the streets of Amsterdam.”

news.sky.com

 

[Spiderman]

""Tomorrow, 86 years ago, was Kristallnacht - an attack on Jews just for being Jews, on European soil," Netanyahu said. "It's back now - yesterday we saw it on the streets of Amsterdam.”"

Netanyahu compares Amsterdam attacks to Kristallnacht

"Tomorrow, 86 years ago, was Kristallnacht - an attack on Jews just for being Jews, on European soil," Netanyahu said. "It's back now - yesterday we saw it on the streets of Amsterdam.”

news.sky.com

Any comment on whether there were/are groups advocating a Jew Hunt? That question seems to have passed you by

 

[HKOwen]

There is a monument in Berlin in the small street where the Jewish husbands of German wives were rounded up by the Nazis, the last group to be targeted.

When I was there recently the monument had been vandalised with pro Palestinian slogans.

That is not anti Zionist, that is jew hating as some on here are familiar with.

Europe and Scandanavia have a massive problem now, mostly thanks to Merkel.

 

[Stirlingsays]

You are sayingnJones' and Sarkar's ideologies have killed far more people than any other...

An entirely unqualified and unquantified statement in need of a PhD thesis to examine, I would imagine.

You think it hasn't been done? Of course it has.

Of course it comes down to whether or not you'd agree with the categorization and classifications required to work it out, which is fair enough. However, it's my personal view and also the view of many others.

So without presentation of your own sources, this is an admission of your own lack of reasonable objectivity. Undermining all your positions, as judged by your own standards.

My non position on what really happened is proof of a lack of 'reasonable objectivity'? Mmmm....let's just say we disagree and leave it at that.

 

[ASCPFC]

There is a monument in Berlin in the small street where the Jewish husbands of German wives were rounded up by the Nazis, the last group to be targeted.

When I was there recently the monument had been vandalised with pro Palestinian slogans.

That is not anti Zionist, that is jew hating as some on here are familiar with.

Europe and Scandanavia have a massive problem now, mostly thanks to Merkel.

Douglas Murray did quite extensive research which demonstrated a clear correlation between a rise in attacks on Jews and synagogues and increasing levels of Islam in Europe. Although, I'm not sure a PhD would be required. I presume it's pretty unsurprising.

 

[Penge Eagle]

""Tomorrow, 86 years ago, was Kristallnacht - an attack on Jews just for being Jews, on European soil," Netanyahu said. "It's back now - yesterday we saw it on the streets of Amsterdam.”"

Netanyahu compares Amsterdam attacks to Kristallnacht

"Tomorrow, 86 years ago, was Kristallnacht - an attack on Jews just for being Jews, on European soil," Netanyahu said. "It's back now - yesterday we saw it on the streets of Amsterdam.”

news.sky.com

If they come, I hope they all move into your neighbourhood and see how that plays out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856383958730113499

 

[cryrst]

If they come, I hope they all move into your neighbourhood and see how that plays out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856383958730113499

Temporary sanctuary
Yeah right !
There is a reason Egypt will not take them.
I’ve read they are seriously horrid people allegedly.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Temporary sanctuary
Yeah right !
There is a reason Egypt will not take them.
I’ve read they are seriously horrid people allegedly.

I often find myself caught between a rock and a hard place on this topic.

Obviously I'm probably one of the least pro Islamic people on this board, viewing it as largely incompatible for the west and a huge and continuing problem going forward created by our elites....both left and right for different motivations.

However, all those arguments are for the west, here we are talking about the middle east, which are their natural homelands. The Palestinians having never left them....it's literally their home.

To speak to your point, Egypt is no actual fan of Israel. It's no supporter of what's happening to the Palestinians. The reason they don't want the Palestinians is multi factored....One, Hamas are supporters of the 'Muslim Brotherhood' and opening the door to Gaza would mean they would be bringing in Hamas with them (impossible to separate the two) and the leader of Egypt Sisi came to power literally having executed the Muslim Brotherhood's leaders. So instant instability....Sisi would literally be risking his life.

Another reason is the sheer cost of introducing over a million people into a country that is already poor....Some might say, spread the load amongst the Arab countries but they would respond by stating that this is carrying out Israel's will and also hurting them financially.

Also, while I agree that the Palestinians are the sole responsibility of the Arab countries surrounding them (as Israel is their enemy) the truth is that Arab countries have actually taken in millions of Palestinians since 47.....when they were literally displaced from their homes. To be fair, totally against all international treaties.

My preferred solution.....and there is no perfect solution.....is that the US (who are completely sold out to the Jewish donor class) pay a king's ransom to Egypt to take over Gaza. This would solve several issues while also being imperfect for both parties.

It won't happen because the power plays are fully behind whatever Israel wants......and they want their cake and to eat it too.....Which Trump is probably going to give them.

 

[HKOwen]

If they come, I hope they all move into your neighbourhood and see how that plays out.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856383958730113499

Literally importing terrorism