Israel v Hamas

CPFCSaturn said:
Whilst we are quite far apart politically, from what I've seen I think Stirling is consistently an interesting poster who at least engages in topics in good faith.

I do find it very amusing how little outrage his criticisms of Israel seem to generate on here compared to mine though - Hrolf's even liked the recent post, even though it basically disagrees with everything he's said 🤣
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Because, if you might notice, that he's not blaming them and just telling them to stop because poor innocent Palestinians. He understands what they face, but you don't.

They weren't starving, now they are. As far as I'm aware and I'm willing to be corrected, but a couple of months back your lot started complaining about the IDF and US food aid, and Hamas insisted it stop. Do you think Hamas have played a role in this?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I haven’t seen such reports but it could, of course, be true. Even if it not ought to be. Presumably every aid convoy is escorted by the IDF to guarded distribution centres. No truck driver would risk driving inside Gaza otherwise. So if it is true, why is it?
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No. Once it crosses the border it's boarded by the armed gangs to keep the civvies off it. Plenty of footage of this.
 
steeleye20 said:
Sir Keir now 'as popular as cholera'.

Why is he dragging the palestine statehood issue out despite all the best advice the pressures and the leadership of the French President Macron which has upstaged the UK and had an enormous impact.

Is it because his appointment and defeat of Jeremy Corbyn was by the labour friends of Israel and associated groups?

Look what his pro-Israel policies have ended up in, it is a disgrace.

We have a base in Cyprus and could have flown in humanitarian aid to the starving and sick from the start, instead he supported Israel and also actually cut the foreign aid budget too.

And of all countries, GB is the country most responsible for the palestine issue in the first place. who are we to deny them their own state.

Labour out, the clamour is growing (and look who is back).

Arresting elderly ladies with placards as a legacy is different I grant you.

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Christ almighty. Akrotiri is a Typhoon base on our front line, not a middle east food relief base for our declared enemies Hamas and Hezbollah.

Also, where are they going to land? Gaza International?
 
Spindle said:
Because, if you might notice, that he's not blaming them and just telling them to stop because poor innocent Palestinians. He understands what they face, but you don't.

They weren't starving, now they are. As far as I'm aware and I'm willing to be corrected, but a couple of months back your lot started complaining about the IDF and US food aid, and Hamas insisted it stop. Do you think Hamas have played a role in this?
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He understands they want to ethnically cleanse the land, yes.

The GHF, which was the IDF-led ‘aid’ distribution scheme, have seen 1000 Palestinian deaths at their sites according to the UN and various aid agencies. There are a huge volume of reports of the IDF firing on people in and around the sites.

I think it’s fair enough people were complaining about them.
 
Spindle said:
No. Once it crosses the border it's boarded by the armed gangs to keep the civvies off it. Plenty of footage of this.
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The IDF has full control of the border and says its sole objective is to destroy Hamas. If they were then trying to stop the trucks the IDF would intervene as they would be in clear sight. The IDF must be escorting every aid convoy.

I don’t know what video footage you have seen but I doubt it’s current.
 
Last footage I saw was Hamas gunmen shooting their own people going for the food, whilst some were on here saying that the IDF did it.

I haven't really looked, but in light of these claims I will
 
So quick research reveals that the IDF don't escort the convoys, the UN don't allow it. Then along come the gunmen to take it and starve everyone, which is having a brilliant effect because of all the useful idiots who blame Israel.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
You speculated why Hamas would do it!

I am asking how it’s possible they could.
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Oh for goodness sake. Why does 2TK label people who disagree with the immigration program far right. Hamas have been proven to lie and not care about their own for so long it’s a joke. Hospital deaths, what was it 100s, no about 3.
Clearly the public were starting to fight back and they wouldn’t have enough bullets so the next best is weaken them so they submit for a meal. 2TK jailed people for a scare tactic. That’s now bit him as the Palestine group labelled a terrorist now has 80 year olds going to do a bit of bird.
It’s called propaganda and Hamas and our hmg are great at it. I thought you were a bit switched on but a dumb plumber like me can see through the Hamas rouse !
 
Penge Eagle said:
This thread is about Palestine. Why are its people so special to you? Above anyone else.
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Please don't try and dig posters out for their views. For a Moderator you have often strayed into being critical of posters, rather than addressing the topic.
I am entitled to my views, as much as anyone on here is.
 
Stirlingsays said:
My view is that it's an ethnic cleansing rather than genocide, but I realise that not everyone agrees with what fits either of those sensitive terms.

It isn't hard to see what Israel's plan is and some of us made this clear near the start of this.

For it to be a genocide then it's an incredibly slow one......I think the plan is for the UN and Hamas to agree to move the population out.

Personally I think you're more likely to see mass suicides like the siege of Masada back in Roman times rather than Hamas willingly giving up Gaza.

But who knows, Hamas might be overthrown internally.
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What's your evidence of an ethnic cleansing?
 
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