Israel v Hamas

[Spindle]

Funny how answering the question doesn't seem to apply to Spindle with the tens of questions he's avoided in the last few hours - but hey, let's just ignore that to suit agendas, why not.

So, for those that are too lazy to read, October 7th was appalling and rightfully retaliation should have been taken.

That retaliation should have been PROPORTIONATE.

So if 1000 are killed on Oct 7th, then 1000 ideally would be killed of Hamas.
Obviously, we all know it's not as black and white as that.

So if you want to weed out Hamas, you plan an extensive operation to use intelligence and military consideration at the table to work out how you can eliminate Hamas over the course of time.

If you discover that they're hiding in hospoirals and schools then you surely send in task forces - otherwise no hostages ever matter ever.

With any normal military leader, you would like to think about how that can be achieved without killing thousands and thousands of civilians in the process.

But that has gone beyond day 1 of retaliation. Netanyahu has ignored the ICC's ruling that it's gone beyond retaliation and are now proven to commit war crimes.

It happens daily, there are no Palestinians left and only a few hours ago a beach cafe was destroyed with no Hamas, only Palestinians, journalisrts (that have been banned from reporting in Gaza) and aid workers that have so far been murdered or denied entry, by forcing starvation - a deliberate tactic against the Palestinian people.

If you really needed any of that spelling out, then god help you.

I won't lose sleep at night, knowing where my moral compass sits.

If you want to side with the terrorists, committing daily war crimes to the point of genocide, that's your prerogative.

You should change your username to "Born Yesterday"

 

[Spindle]

What's proportionate? Should Israel have attacked some music festival and various communities, shooting people at random, killing babies in front of the parents, raping women, burning some people alive, take some hostages and parade the naked dead bodies of raped girls through the streets of Tel Avi to the acclaim of cheering crowds chanting 'death to Gaza', 'death to all Muslims'. I think that compass of yours must be faulty.

It's a knockout punch there George, but watch him get up pretending he's winning the fight

 

[Spindle]

Oh wow, let's hire you as military commander quick, before more civilians are killed.

Oh look, we don't need to, cos they're managing to murder civilians quite well without your guidance.

If my tactics would have more civilians killed, I'm confused as to which part of their current tactics you think are actually working to minimalise civilian casualties?

Well Hamas has been shafted, you realise that right? But they still control the people, that is unless the people actually support them and what they did still.

"Proportion". Ha ha ha ha ha.

Germany were so unfair in 1940 putting up 6 times the number of aircraft as us. Goering should've limited them. And all that intelligence we cracked with Ultra, for every secret we learned we should've revealed one of our plans to the Abwehr, just to make it fair etc.

 

[Spindle]

Meanwhile, back in a two-tier justice system. It's not OK to voice any criticism of Israeli Government /IDF action, as that is anti-Semitic. Shut down any criticism by calling people Jew-haters.

"Writing on X, Sir Ephraim Mirvis wrote:, external "This is a time of national shame. The airing of vile Jew-hatred at Glastonbury and the BBC's belated and mishandled response, brings confidence in our national broadcaster's ability to treat antisemitism seriously to a new low." (BBC)

"DEATH DEATH TO THE IDF" isn't Jew hatred? Jesus wept

 

[Spindle]

Oh, here we go again...
October 7th, October 7th, October 7th.

What about October 8th - Present Day?
Or have you conveniently wiped that from your biased agenda too?

Yes let's just forget October 7th, that's just old news now and not relevant.

 

[Spindle]

I'd say the biggest genocide since the Holocaust, which you refuse to accept, is pretty repulsive and shows your ignorance and IDF-loving mindset.

This has nothing to do with Jews or religion, this is to do with preserving life, but you only care about one side of that, clearly.

That's because you were born yesterday mate. There are many which are far far bigger than this war. Actual targeted genocides too, even the most obviously well known, Rwanda, had TEN TIMES the number killed in only 3 months. And they had no modern weapons, which kind of puts your claim in the filing cabinet marked "Ridiculous"

But they weren't involving the Jew so didn't count...

 

[Spindle]

True, but the scale of deaths look on course to be more, at the rate it's been at 21 months already.

Both atrocious. This one looks like there is no end in sight - or at least until every last Palestinian is smoking in their own ashes.

I'm going from memory only but to name a handful that dwarf Gaza as a minnow.

USSR on the captured 6th Army after Stalingrad
Chinese civil war 1948
Tibet (Chinese invasion)
Sri Lanka (Tamal genocide 1956 - 2009)
Vietnam 65-75
Laos 70s
Cambodia 70s
Jews from Arab lands since 1948
Dozens of massacres across Arabia post war
Myanmar to date
Yemen 2014 to date
Sudan / South Sudan
DR Congo 1996 onwards SIX MILLION
Uganda (Amin) 70s

And I've not touched central or south America.

Honestly LAUGHABLE a claim you make. Are you still a teenager? Serious question.

 

[Spindle]

He only has two responses.

"October 7th was awful and that's all that matters" and "what question have I not answered?".

Another question, are you one of those who began protesting against Israel on Oct 8th? Only it was loud then, and the IDF hadn't started.

When did you moral compass swing against the IDF? Was it when it hit the 1201st Gazan death? What date was that?

 

[indianapalace85]

It's a knockout punch there George, but watch him get up pretending he's winning the fight

Actually I already responded to that hours ago, but as we all know you can't read.

And if you think it's about "winning the fight" then please continue - your idiocy is greatly entertaining.

 

[indianapalace85]

Another question, are you one of those who began protesting against Israel on Oct 8th? Only it was loud then, and the IDF hadn't started.

When did you moral compass swing against the IDF? Was it when it hit the 1201st Gazan death? What date was that?

After a while of reflecting on both sides, getting as much info as possible - usally a process that evades the genocide deniers.

 

[indianapalace85]

That's because you were born yesterday mate. There are many which are far far bigger than this war. Actual targeted genocides too, even the most obviously well known, Rwanda, had TEN TIMES the number killed in only 3 months. And they had no modern weapons, which kind of puts your claim in the filing cabinet marked "Ridiculous"

But they weren't involving the Jew so didn't count...

The only person that seems to go on about Jew-hating is you. I'm wondering which side you're actually batting for, though nothing surprises me with the amount of dogsh*t that comes out of your mouth.

 

[indianapalace85]

Yes let's just forget October 7th, that's just old news now and not relevant.

And 1st prize for most boring debate answer goes to..........

Is October 7th your birthday by the way?

I'm wondering if you're aware there are also 364 other dates in a calendar year.

Or do you think they're all called October 7th?

 

[indianapalace85]

"DEATH DEATH TO THE IDF" isn't Jew hatred? Jesus wept

If that's your genuine opinion, then you are beyond repair as a functional human.

I'm just surprised that I'm surprised.

 

[Penge Eagle]

The only person that seems to go on about Jew-hating is you. I'm wondering which side you're actually batting for, though nothing surprises me with the amount of dogsh*t that comes out of your mouth.

Why can't you respond with a counter argument to the information posted? Instead you'd rather sling insults.

 

[indianapalace85]

Why can't you respond with a counter argument to the information posted? Instead you'd rather sling insults.

You really should do stand up. Your jokes are hilarious.

You've spent the last 48 hours avoiding the debate and having pokes, then attempt to play high and mighty when it's back in your face.

If you can't stand the heat, get out the tunnel.

 

[Penge Eagle]

You really should do stand up. Your jokes are hilarious.

You've spent the last 48 hours avoiding the debate and having pokes, then attempt to play high and mighty when it's back in your face.

If you can't stand the heat, get out the tunnel.

And you continue with insults as you don't have any counter arguments. Serious question, are you a student?

 

[indianapalace85]

And you continue with insults as you don't have any counter arguments. Serious question, are you a student?

Oh for the love of god.

God must have had a hangover when he made you.

 

[Spindle]

After a while of reflecting on both sides, getting as much info as possible - usally a process that evades the genocide deniers.

Not. One. Question. Answered.

 

[Spindle]

The only person that seems to go on about Jew-hating is you. I'm wondering which side you're actually batting for, though nothing surprises me with the amount of dogsh*t that comes out of your mouth.

A wonderful response to being told that in fact Gaza isn't actually the "biggest genocide since WW2" but dwarfed ten fold in a fraction of the time by a genocide in Africa, which is one of many that have refuted your ludicrous claim.

Denying the Tutsi genocide too, since it's "dog s***". I thought your type was all "BLM' but maybe I was wrong there...Black Lives Don't Matter.

 

[indianapalace85]

A wonderful response to being told that in fact Gaza isn't actually the "biggest genocide since WW2" but dwarfed ten fold in a fraction of the time by a genocide in Africa, which is one of many that have refuted your ludicrous claim.

Denying the Tutsi genocide too, since it's "dog s***". I thought your type was all "BLM' but maybe I was wrong there...Black Lives Don't Matter.

God, being wrong all the time must be exhausting for you.