Iran

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Your preferred sources literally told us that Iranian missiles could only go 2000km, just before Diego Garcia was struck 4000km away. They need to make up their minds.

You don't know the truth any more that I do.

What is more likely? That Iran kept its long range missiles for when things got desperate, or that they don't really have them?
I would lean towards the latter bearing in mind that there is a desire to justify Europe becoming more involved, but that is by no means certain.

 

[Dogburger]

I do wonder if Iran will try to bring Gibraltar and Crete into the equation , Knowing local sentiment will be against the UK if missiles are aimed at the British bases on those islands .
The Political and Military fallout would be huge for the UK if long range ballistic missiles are just aimed let alone land anywhere close to Europe .

What makes you think local sentiment would be against the UK in Gibraltar ? Crete I'm not familiar with but Gib is more British than Britain .

 

[beak]

I do wonder if Iran will try to bring Gibraltar and Crete into the equation , Knowing local sentiment will be against the UK if missiles are aimed at the British bases on those islands .
The Political and Military fallout would be huge for the UK if long range ballistic missiles are just aimed let alone land anywhere close to Europe .

The reaction in Malta to being constantly during bombed WW 2 just stiffened their resolve against the Nazi bombers nit against Britain.

 

[McAhuna]

You don't know the truth any more that I do.

What is more likely? That Iran kept its long range missiles for when things got desperate, or that they don't really have them?
I would lean towards the latter bearing in mind that there is a desire to justify Europe becoming more involved, but that is by no means certain.

Wait, you don't think Iran has missiles capable of reaching Diego Garcia?

Who attacked Diego Gargia, then, in your view?

 

[Common Sense Club]

Wait, you don't think Iran has missiles capable of reaching Diego Garcia?

Who attacked Diego Gargia, then, in your view?

Did they actually get that far?
Western news reports say one was shot down before it got anywhere near the island group and the other didn’t make it to the area (we are not told how far short of its target). Maybe it’s just bravado from Iran, implying they have the capability but knowing that they would be shot down or fail because the range is only 2000kms. But it’s good fear propaganda.

 

[Spindle]

Your preferred sources literally told us that Iranian missiles could only go 2000km, just before Diego Garcia was struck 4000km away. They need to make up their minds.

Who said that? You can Google to find out what they've got, it's hardly a secret.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Wait, you don't think Iran has missiles capable of reaching Diego Garcia?

Who attacked Diego Gargia, then, in your view?

Your capacity to misquote and put words in to people's mouths is almost as good as your ability to believe anything and everything when it suits you.

There is always a desire to sway public opinion during times of conflict. It's nothing new.
We don't know if they were fired or not. We only have the word of people with varying agendas.

Like I always say. In the end, you have to pick as side. Because if you always want to be on the side of honesty, truth, Godliness and virtuousness, you will be waiting a long time to find the right team.

I know whose side I'm on and I know why. You can keep clutching your pearls and wringing your hands if you like.

 

[McAhuna]

Your capacity to misquote and put words in to people's mouths is almost as good as your ability to believe anything and everything when it suits you.

There is always a desire to sway public opinion during times of conflict. It's nothing new.
We don't know if they were fired or not. We only have the word of people with varying agendas.

Like I always say. In the end, you have to pick as side. Because if you always want to be on the side of honesty, truth, Godliness and virtuousness, you will be waiting a long time to find the right team.

I know whose side I'm on and I know why. You can keep clutching your pearls and wringing your hands if you like.

Do you understand what a question mark is? I was seeking to clarify what you meant. A question cannot be a quote. If you can't communicate clearly that's not my problem.

The implication of what you were saying seemed surprising and odd. It seemed that you might actually be questioning the official mainstream narrative? That is what I was questioning.
That would lead to a further question though wouldn't it - if you can't trust the version of events we are being told, how can you unreservedly and unquestionably support one side?
Or do you just pick the side with the palest skin?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Do you understand what a question mark is? I was seeking to clarify what you meant. A question cannot be a quote. If you can't communicate clearly that's not my problem.

The implication of what you were saying seemed surprising and odd. It seemed that you might actually be questioning the official mainstream narrative? That is what I was questioning.
That would lead to a further question though wouldn't it - if you can't trust the version of events we are being told, how can you unreservedly and unquestionably support one side?
Or do you just pick the side with the palest skin?

If you can read, then you shouldn't have to ask the question.

Do you understand that???????????

 

[McAhuna]

Israel's Samson Option

Let me tell you as briefly as possible about Israel's "Samson option" & then you tell me if you still support them (btw you can google this yourself if you don't trust me)

"Samson option" means that if Israel is going down, they plan to use nukes & attack as many countries as possible to maximize the damage & take as many people with them as possible. That means they plan to nuke targets in European countries, too. You may think: "Ok, if someone attacks them 1st, they have the right to defend themselves." Well, this plan makes it clear that if the European countries don't SUPPORT israel or stay NEUTRAL while israel is fighting a war, they'll nuke them too. Even though they've done nothing wrong. It's a "if we're going down, then we'll take as many of you with us as possible" mentality. And then someone will look you dead in the eyes & say that "israel is our great ally"

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Israel's Samson Option

Let me tell you as briefly as possible about Israel's "Samson option" & then you tell me if you still support them (btw you can google this yourself if you don't trust me)

"Samson option" means that if Israel is going down, they plan to use nukes & attack as many countries as possible to maximize the damage & take as many people with them as possible. That means they plan to nuke targets in European countries, too. You may think: "Ok, if someone attacks them 1st, they have the right to defend themselves." Well, this plan makes it clear that if the European countries don't SUPPORT israel or stay NEUTRAL while israel is fighting a war, they'll nuke them too. Even though they've done nothing wrong. It's a "if we're going down, then we'll take as many of you with us as possible" mentality. And then someone will look you dead in the eyes & say that "israel is our great ally"

You are getting very close to anti Semitism.
You are in effect siding with Iran and Islamists.

 

[cryrst]

Israel's Samson Option

Let me tell you as briefly as possible about Israel's "Samson option" & then you tell me if you still support them (btw you can google this yourself if you don't trust me)

"Samson option" means that if Israel is going down, they plan to use nukes & attack as many countries as possible to maximize the damage & take as many people with them as possible. That means they plan to nuke targets in European countries, too. You may think: "Ok, if someone attacks them 1st, they have the right to defend themselves." Well, this plan makes it clear that if the European countries don't SUPPORT israel or stay NEUTRAL while israel is fighting a war, they'll nuke them too. Even though they've done nothing wrong. It's a "if we're going down, then we'll take as many of you with us as possible" mentality. And then someone will look you dead in the eyes & say that "israel is our great ally"

Similar to the death camps in Germany. Use all the bullets to take as many as possible before being defeated. The Jews did nothing wrong either.
A tad of irony !

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Similar to the death camps in Germany. Use all the bullets to take as many as possible before being defeated. The Jews did nothing wrong either.
A tad of irony !

You will probably get a laughing emoji.

Saturn is a blatant anti semite and the other one is a God bothering smart arse who thinks that Jews are the problem. He doesn't understand the concept of the enemy of your enemy...

Hell we even cosied up to the Russians once because it served a purpose. I expect McAhuna would have surrendered so we didn't have to do anything immoral.

And only one side has fired off missiles in every direction in this conflict.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

You will probably get a laughing emoji.

Saturn is a blatant anti semite and the other one is a God bothering smart arse who thinks that Jews are the problem. He doesn't understand the concept of the enemy of your enemy...

Hell we even cosied up to the Russians once because it served a purpose. I expect they would have surrendered so we didn't have to do anything immoral.

And you're incapable of holding your own in a debate without resorting to childish "HES A RACIST!" shouts, exactly like those you claim to oppose - it's pathetic and it deserves ridicule.

Everyone understands your concept; it's the sort of thing a 6 year old could comfortably get their head round - you think there are the good guys and the bad guys, and you have to support the 'good guys' regardless or what they do or say, or how much their action materially makes your life worse.

You then seem to suggest that because an alliance with the Russians worked once, we have to approve of all alliances to follow, regardless of who they are with or in what context. Wholly illogical.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

And you're incapable of holding your own in a debate without resorting to childish "HES A RACIST!" shouts, exactly like those you claim to oppose - it's pathetic and it deserves ridicule.

Everyone understands your concept; it's the sort of thing a 6 year old could comfortably get their head round - you think there are the good guys and the bad guys, and you have to support the 'good guys' regardless or what they do or say, or how much their action materially makes your life worse.

You then seem to suggest that because an alliance with the Russians worked once, we have to approve of all alliances to follow, regardless of who they are with or in what context. Wholly illogical.

That explains why you don't get it. It's not good v bad. It's us v them. You need to know whose side you are on. Sniping from the sidelines makes you look like the enemy.

And no, your last sentence misses the point as you always do. I'm suggesting that we have allied ourselves with unsavoury regimes in the past to achieve a common goal. For you, being an anti Semite, Israel is about as unsavoury as it gets.

 

[McAhuna]

You will probably get a laughing emoji.

Saturn is a blatant anti semite and the other one is a God bothering smart arse who thinks that Jews are the problem. He doesn't understand the concept of the enemy of your enemy...

Hell we even cosied up to the Russians once because it served a purpose. I expect McAhuna would have surrendered so we didn't have to do anything immoral.

And only one side has fired off missiles in every direction in this conflict.

I don't think all Jews (or all Muslims) are the problem.

However, extreme Zionism and Islamic fundamentalism clearly are problems.
Problems I'd rather we had as little to do with as possible.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I don't think all Jews (or all Muslims) are the problem.

However, extreme Zionism and Islamic fundamentalism clearly are problems.
Problems I'd rather we had as little to do with as possible.

In an ideal world.

I'd like to rid us of all bonkers religions and the absurd sectarianism that goes with them, but that is also unrealistic.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

That explains why you don't get it. It's not good v bad. It's us v them. You need to know whose side you are on. Sniping from the sidelines makes you look like the enemy.

And no, your last sentence misses the point as you always do. I'm suggesting that we have allied ourselves with unsavoury regimes in the past to achieve a common goal. For you, being an anti Semite, Israel is about as unsavoury as it gets.

The effect is the same - your unwavering and seemingly unconditional support of the conduct of one side, regardless of context or outcome.

Yes, we allied with Russia to achieve a rather significant common goal. This current offensive is achieving absolutely f*** all, and can't even seem to define what it is that it's trying to achieve.

 

[cryrst]

I don't think all Jews (or all Muslims) are the problem.

However, extreme Zionism and Islamic fundamentalism clearly are problems.
Problems I'd rather we had as little to do with as possible.

The boat has sailed with Islamic fundamentalism. Well sailed to the uk with open arms from the last 3 hmgs.
It’s here and it is your enemy. It wants your country to be Muslim and the west to be gone. That’s where I agree with hrolf. It’s on your doorstep and every Muslim no matter how liberal will conform to survive. That leaves us on our own. What length will your beard be ?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

The effect is the same - your unwavering and seemingly unconditional support of the conduct of one side, regardless of context or outcome.

Yes, we allied with Russia to achieve a rather significant common goal. This current offensive is achieving absolutely f*** all, and can't even seem to define what it is that it's trying to achieve.

No not one side. OUR side. Your words betray you.

You can't claim that this conflict has achieved nothing. It hasn't ended yet.
There will no doubt be positives and negatives like there are with every course of action. You aren't supposed to know its objectives or its success. You aren't in the loop.