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Ipswich v CPFC Match Thread

In recent months, Ive been one of many saying young Mitchell is just not quite Premier material.
Well he silenced all his critics last night. He was really good going forward which is the only issue we have with him. If he can build on that performance, which surely he can, there may be a quality wing back in him yet.
He always seems like a nice bloke, and it pains to criticise him, so how refreshing it would be if he can keep going forwards like last night. He cast his nervy performances aside and went up the wing full of confidence, knocking in some really good balls.
There is hope yet.
 
palace chick said:
I don’t think it’s laughable but rather fans having different opinions. I mentioned in my post switching during a game to a flat 4 at the back allowing a middle 3. Doesn’t sound laughable to be just asking for flexibility rather than subs coming on and playing the exact same way when we look like we have tired legs and the middle of midfield looking more open for the opposition 🙂
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Having an opinion isn't, what is laughable is how you position it like its a fact, and the silver bullet. Switch to 3 in the middle and suddenly all the problems are solved! If only Glasner had thought of it...

Just to play it through the solution last night would have been to play 3 DMs? And who drops out?
 
NMPalace said:
Not sure why it's laughable to you. If you don't yet realise football is all about opinions then i pity you.

OG's lack of pressing the keeper had nothing to do with the formation and you can hold a high or deep back line regardless of a back 3, 4 or 5.

For me the main thing yesterday was Ipswich were a pretty average team. Regardless of set up or formation we should have won.

We will be playing better teams than Ipswich over the next 3 games. Let's see how our 2 immobile CMs get on in those games.
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Well exactly, formations aren't overly rigid. And because we had pretty good control of the game, our wing backs played pretty high up.

What I dont understand (and maybe laughable was the wrong choice of word) is how some people are so convinced that any issue with the performance is down to formation.

Looking at last nights game, they had 3 opportunities, one from a free kick, one from a corner, and a cross from their left. We didn't get over run in midfield. We didn't get exposed wide. They have pressured teams this season, but no sign of that last night. So structurally something must have been working.

We struggled going forward. But with 2 defensive CMs, and out of form Eze and Sarr who makes some very strange choices in promising positions (but is improving and providing value) its always going to be a little bit of a struggle.

The only way I could be onboard with the formation chat is if we had different players to try to force into the team. Which we dont really. Sign Rayan Cherki or McAtee in Jan and its a different story
 
Was at the game and thought we had control over most parts of it, apart from a little wobble near the end. Goal was taken beautifully and the little step over did the defender up like a kipper. You can see the difference it makes with players coming back and with Wharton back soon we will have that option of his tidy neat passes to unlock defences.

We are getting there and you can see the players are right behind OG, Lacroix and Geuhi were immense at the back again and our goal difference is way better than most teams in the bottom half of the table.

Finally our support away from home was top draw as it always is. COYP 🦅
 
What I like about OG during his press briefings is when he is asked questions about the upcoming opposition he will often mention 2 or 3 things that he (& the support team) have picked up on about key players, specific situations or their anticipated style of play - so clearly as a club we do a lot of homework these days on the opposition (as probably most PL clubs do) & its in his mind (he dosent have to go through wads of notes to mention specifics)

OK the opposition will have their own plan & things can change but overall it gives me confidence that we know what we are doing , we have a game plan & are going to be as ready as anyone can be in a live sport situation, now, acknowledging that I am a nobody, but I would have thought it gives the players & maybe even SP some confidence in what we are trying to do.

Its much more refreshing that just hearing a manager saying, something like, I am not going to tell you how we are going to set up for the game or some such throwaway line -
 
Dubai Eagle said:
What I like about OG during his press briefings is when he is asked questions about the upcoming opposition he will often mention 2 or 3 things that he (& the support team) have picked up on about key players, specific situations or their anticipated style of play - so clearly as a club we do a lot of homework these days on the opposition (as probably most PL clubs do) & its in his mind (he dosent have to go through wads of notes to mention specifics)

OK the opposition will have their own plan & things can change but overall it gives me confidence that we know what we are doing , we have a game plan & are going to be as ready as anyone can be in a live sport situation, now, acknowledging that I am a nobody, but I would have thought it gives the players & maybe even SP some confidence in what we are trying to do.

Its much more refreshing that just hearing a manager saying, something like, I am not going to tell you how we are going to set up for the game or some such throwaway line -
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I agree. It’s clear from his pre-match interviews that he has done his homework and that they have worked on specific things during training to try to nullify the opposition’s strengths. That shows in their tactics during games too. He has been criticised on this forum for rigidly sticking with 3 at the back but he does vary his tactics within that system while keeping a solid structure. Interestingly after the Ipswich game Delap commented on how hard it was to play against our back 3 structure.
Coaches have to bring the best out of their players but also develop a team that plays in a certain way. We all remember Roy’s style where it was said that each player was told who he was allowed to pass to when he got the ball. I don’t know if that was true or not but it was quite rigid. Glasner’s system is built around a solid structure with flexibility around whether we use a high press or sit back a little. He is prepared to tweak that during the game if required but reluctant to switch formations.
In my book he gives players clear instructions for each game and we increasingly look like a team that knows what it is doing. That has taken time. Perhaps he will add further flexibility, including switching to 4 at the back when required, as the team develops but he will know when and if he can introduce that extra dimension to their game. We have had a typical Glasner slow start to the season but are beginning to see Glasnerball develop and I for one look forward to seeing us progress as a team throughout the season and finish strongly.
 
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MrRobbo said:
Well exactly, formations aren't overly rigid. And because we had pretty good control of the game, our wing backs played pretty high up.

What I dont understand (and maybe laughable was the wrong choice of word) is how some people are so convinced that any issue with the performance is down to formation.

Looking at last nights game, they had 3 opportunities, one from a free kick, one from a corner, and a cross from their left. We didn't get over run in midfield. We didn't get exposed wide. They have pressured teams this season, but no sign of that last night. So structurally something must have been working.

We struggled going forward. But with 2 defensive CMs, and out of form Eze and Sarr who makes some very strange choices in promising positions (but is improving and providing value) its always going to be a little bit of a struggle.

The only way I could be onboard with the formation chat is if we had different players to try to force into the team. Which we dont really. Sign Rayan Cherki or McAtee in Jan and its a different story
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You ask a question and then answer it later on. Essentially our lack of goals and therefore points (see Forest and Wood as the opposite) was summarised very well by Lanzo a few days ago.

As he said the formation we play is essentially 8 defensive players and 3 attacking ones. Therefore, there is a need for all 3 to be very good and playing well for it to be effective. Last season JP, Eze and Olise were flying, hence the fantastic results near the end of the season.
 
ASCPFC said:
I looked at it and it made my liver ache.
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Explode more likely.
I don't know anyone who's tried it but generally a health warning on a drink isn't encouraging. The last one of these crazy beers was 67% and cost £50 a bottle. Maybe 10 blokes out together can chip in a fiver to share one just to say they've had the strongest beer in the world - who am I kidding? I suspect I'd do the same out of sheer bravado/daftness if there were a few other like-minded idiots around.
 
NMPalace said:
You ask a question and then answer it later on. Essentially our lack of goals and therefore points (see Forest and Wood as the opposite) was summarised very well by Lanzo a few days ago.

As he said the formation we play is essentially 8 defensive players and 3 attacking ones. Therefore, there is a need for all 3 to be very good and playing well for it to be effective. Last season JP, Eze and Olise were flying, hence the fantastic results near the end of the season.
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There’s something of a flaw in that statement.

Palace have had more shots at goal and more shots on target than Forest this season.

I would contend that it’s a lack of clinical finishing that’s the problem. Eze in particular has developed a habit of shooting straight at the ‘keeper - as he did at Ipswich.
 
Palacesince64 said:
I agree. It’s clear from his pre-match interviews that he has done his homework and that they have worked on specific things during training to try to nullify the opposition’s strengths. That shows in their tactics during games too. He has been criticised on this forum for rigidly sticking with 3 at the back but he does vary his tactics within that system while keeping a solid structure. Interestingly after the Ipswich game Delap commented on how hard it was to play against our back 3 structure.
Coaches have to bring the best out of their players but also develop a team that plays in a certain way. We all remember Roy’s style where it was said that each player was told who he was allowed to pass to when he got the ball. I don’t know if that was true or not but it was quite rigid. Glasner’s system is built around a solid structure with flexibility around whether we use a high press or sit back a little. He is prepared to tweak that during the game if required but reluctant to switch formations.
In my book he gives players clear instructions for each game and we increasingly look like a team that knows what it is doing. That has taken time. Perhaps he will add further flexibility, including switching to 4 at the back when required, as the team develops but he will know when and if he can introduce that extra dimension to their game. We have had a typical Glasner slow start to the season but are beginning to see Glasnerball develop and I for one look forward to seeing us progress as a team throughout the season and finish strongly.
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A good post - thanks. Basically, before you can start having other formation options you need your squad to be fully ofay with the primary one. Let's face it, some players aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer and need to know exactly what's required of them.

Glasner has shown how good he is at tweaking the tactics within his favoured formation. We saw it at Villa, where he took advantage of their high line and let Sarr loose to good effect.

Against Newcastle we nullified their attacking threat with some aggressive pressing and against Ipswich we refused to play their game by keeping our basic shape and structure out of possession until it suited us to press for the ball.

I suggest that these last three games have shown that the players are now comfortable with the formation and with the tactical adaptations needed for each opponent.

It will be interesting to see how we go about trying to beat Citeh on Saturday - pity (from our point of view) that De Bruyne is back.
 
doombear said:
A good post - thanks. Basically, before you can start having other formation options you need your squad to be fully ofay with the primary one. Let's face it, some players aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer and need to know exactly what's required of them.

Glasner has shown how good he is at tweaking the tactics within his favoured formation. We saw it at Villa, where he took advantage of their high line and let Sarr loose to good effect.

Against Newcastle we nullified their attacking threat with some aggressive pressing and against Ipswich we refused to play their game by keeping our basic shape and structure out of possession until it suited us to press for the ball.

I suggest that these last three games have shown that the players are now comfortable with the formation and with the tactical adaptations needed for each opponent.

It will be interesting to see how we go about trying to beat Citeh on Saturday - pity (from our point of view) that De Bruyne is back.
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I didn’t want to say that but it’s what I was thinking! 🤣 🤣
 
NEILLO said:
There’s something of a flaw in that statement.

Palace have had more shots at goal and more shots on target than Forest this season.

I would contend that it’s a lack of clinical finishing that’s the problem. Eze in particular has developed a habit of shooting straight at the ‘keeper - as he did at Ipswich.
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At least he hits the target rather than firing in shots under the category 'High wide and not so handsome' !
Solskjaer was a player who hit the target with regularity.
 
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