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I think he only played for England when he moved to Arsenal. I maybe mistaken.
BromleyMonkey
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He made his England debut while playing for us, but didn’t score his first goal until he was at Arsenal
I think Olise wants to win something. Plus Saka would likely be ahead of him
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He wants to be French and didn’t want to play for us. There’s two good reasons to be disinterested in what he’s up to these days.
Poor England performance not helped by Latvia rugby style tackles. I think a few of them wanted to swap shirts during the game.
Eze was a bright spot you could see he was up for it as soon as he came on.
Rashford was poor again it's that big team mentality that Managers have. If he ever gets his move to Villa he wont find it so easy to get into the squad.
Kane was also anonymous but popped up to score again, his days must be coming to an end so England need to find a replacement, 2 years is a long time in football.
Overall Tuchel has not impressed so far, it's just a continuation of Southgate.
Eze was a bright spot you could see he was up for it as soon as he came on.
Rashford was poor again it's that big team mentality that Managers have. If he ever gets his move to Villa he wont find it so easy to get into the squad.
Kane was also anonymous but popped up to score again, his days must be coming to an end so England need to find a replacement, 2 years is a long time in football.
Overall Tuchel has not impressed so far, it's just a continuation of Southgate.
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A man for man high press would have done for Latvia but we rarely used it.
I had high hopes for Tuchel but it’s all very meh at the moment.
Wright definitely did not score for England whilst at Palace.
I think the only other scorer whilst playing for palace was Peter Taylor back in 1976 when we were a 3rd division club.
That is almost 50 years ago.
I remember Salako during the New Zealand tour of 1991 hit the woodwork a couple of times and Geoff Thomas had a couple of horrendous misses - everyone remembers the French one but the New Zealand one was one of the worst misses i've ever seen - on 19 minutes below (denied us a Palace goal - Wright to Salako and Thomas taps home)
CPFCSaturn
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Rashford was frozen out for years whilst playing for a 'big team'. He has moved to a 'smaller' side and gets a recall... how on earth does that prove a big team mentality?
Kane isn't going anywhere - bloke has 57 goals in 56 league games over the last season and a half.
CPFCSaturn
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We pressed about as high as you feasibly can - it's just never going to be exciting playing a side that limited.
These type of fixtures can and will only ever be 'meh'.
Palace Old Geezer
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Never mind whether any other Palace players have scored for England, just enjoy Eze's. As Badger wrote, he definitely wanted to impress in his 30 minutes on the pitch.
Rashford was dropped by Moan United and barely featured due to his poor form. Not playing regular football is a bridge too far even for England. He's played 3/4 games for Villa and done okay and he's straight back into the squad. Perhaps I should have said big name players as well as big team bias.
As for Kane I acknowledged that he is scoring but that's all he does, we saw during the euros how poor he was. I am not saying drop him but he is a declining force so England had better be lining up a replacement.
I hadn't realised that Tuchel was the Chelsea manager who signed off on selling Guehi to Palace. I'm not saying his was the final word but it sounds like he didn't exactly fight it.
Marc will have his work cut out to keep his place in the team.
Marc will have his work cut out to keep his place in the team.
Indeed, might not be as good as he was, but I cant believe how many people want him dropped.
Pretty much scores every game.
CPFCSaturn
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It feels like you're just crowbarring it in to be honest - Rashford is proof that out of form players get dropped, regardless of who they play for - see also Grealish, Sterling, Stones, Sancho and many others.
I'd agree Rashford has been a little fortunate to be back in so quickly, but we're short of wide options - I don't at all agree with the broader suggestion that big clubs or players are unduly selected - I think that's years out of date.
We were the most represented club in the England squad at the Euros - it hardly screams 'big club bias' does it..?
This most recent squad includes players from Everton, Villa, Newcastle, West Ham, Forest, Palace - who exactly is missing out?
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Its odd listening to England fans nowadays.
I was no Southgate fan, but even I admit that his sides generally set up and played well, especially against lesser teams. Remember before he arrived, many fans had turned off england. He restored some faith and generally got us playing OK football. If you disregard The last tournament, which was an abhorration amongst all the others - His plan A generally worked well. It was when he came up against a half decent team, and needed to roll the dice that he failed. in that respect, and against these teams... Is 'more of the same' all that bad? For Tuchel to be a success, doesn't he just need to do what Southgate did, but actually get us over the line, and make the decisions when it matters? In that regard, we can't judge Tuchel until those moments happen.
Lower ranked teams are always going to be hard to beat when they park a bus, but I remember a time when we'd regularly struggle to beat them. Now we are saying it's a failure when we don't score 4.
We played OK. One major change I saw over the last two games (not so much 2nd half vs Albania) was the willingness to make runs, and have movement up front which encourages forward passes rather than endlessly passing sideways/backwards. vs Latvia the Pace of play, was a lot better than under GS. Almost felt like there was purpose to our play.
Rashford and Bowen were dangerous, but pretty ineffective(Eze came on and was both dangerous AND effective). Bellingham can still turn into space and play a killer pass (and should have been Sent off), Morgan Rogers looks a good prospect and Foden still looks miles off the pace in an england shirt.
Job done, and move on. We're in a sh*t group, with sh*t teams. Be prepared for more of the same next time out.
I was no Southgate fan, but even I admit that his sides generally set up and played well, especially against lesser teams. Remember before he arrived, many fans had turned off england. He restored some faith and generally got us playing OK football. If you disregard The last tournament, which was an abhorration amongst all the others - His plan A generally worked well. It was when he came up against a half decent team, and needed to roll the dice that he failed. in that respect, and against these teams... Is 'more of the same' all that bad? For Tuchel to be a success, doesn't he just need to do what Southgate did, but actually get us over the line, and make the decisions when it matters? In that regard, we can't judge Tuchel until those moments happen.
Lower ranked teams are always going to be hard to beat when they park a bus, but I remember a time when we'd regularly struggle to beat them. Now we are saying it's a failure when we don't score 4.
We played OK. One major change I saw over the last two games (not so much 2nd half vs Albania) was the willingness to make runs, and have movement up front which encourages forward passes rather than endlessly passing sideways/backwards. vs Latvia the Pace of play, was a lot better than under GS. Almost felt like there was purpose to our play.
Rashford and Bowen were dangerous, but pretty ineffective(Eze came on and was both dangerous AND effective). Bellingham can still turn into space and play a killer pass (and should have been Sent off), Morgan Rogers looks a good prospect and Foden still looks miles off the pace in an england shirt.
Job done, and move on. We're in a sh*t group, with sh*t teams. Be prepared for more of the same next time out.
Does Foden deserve his place in the squad? He's been poor for City for a while and not been great for England for a while. Big name player living on his reputation. Rooney was another who was first choice for far too long.
CPFCSaturn
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Good post, and I definitely agree - I'm really not sure what the expectation is amongst a lot of England fans.
As you said, Southgate has made winning these qualifiers a formality - in reality, we used to make much harder work of these sort of awkward fixtures, as many of the other bigger nations still do.
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Think The commentator mentioned also, that the starting line up last night was the first without ANY players from any of ManU, ManC and Liverpool (and Arsenal if you omit LewisSkelly) for something like 35 years. Kinda goes against the Big club bias theory.
*edit* oh yeah and Rice. forgot about him. maybe we can't omit arsenal!
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It's debatable, certainly, but a single example does not prove a trend, particularly in the fact of multiple examples demonstrating the opposite;
Eze is in, Rogers is in, Gibbs-White is in, Bowen is in, Gordon is in... which attacking midfielder/winger is missing out for Foden? With Palmer and Saka both injured, you're running out of alternatives.
If Tuchel was biased towards City players you'd also expect Stones, Lewis and Grealish to have been included.
Rooney hasn't been a regular for nearly 10 years - as I said, out of date.