Immigration

[PalazioVecchio]

There’s ensuring something like the nazis never happens again.

you raise a valid point Eagle. Understanding WHY they arose is absolutely vital. From 1914 to 1933 the German population suffered massive hardships and privations. So , of course, they went and voted for Mr Angry.

It was historian Niall Ferguson who said that 'economic hardship' when mixed with ethnic strife.....is the powder-keg of history. What's relevant about the Nazi's is the dozens of other times in history that the whole charade played out. The Balkans, India/Pakistan, Armenia, even Ulster.

 

[Badger11]

you raise a valid point Eagle. Understanding WHY they arose is absolutely vital. From 1914 to 1933 the German population suffered massive hardships and privations. So , of course, they went and voted for Mr Angry.

I Just finished this book Blood and Iron by Katja Hoyer. It is about the start of Germany as a nation and Empire until the end of WWI.

What is clear is that from the start there was a nastiness embedded in the country. It was militaristic and antisemitism was rife. In fact you realise that Hitler was not unique there were many politicians who played the Jew card before him he was just the last in a long line.

The other thing that is clear is that from the start 1870, is that the state really feared the left whether you call them socialists, communists or somewhere in between. By 1919 the communists came very close to seizing power. All of this helped the big business and the military establishment turn to the Nazis as "their party".

As you say the average German really suffered 1914-1933.

 

[georgenorman]

Have you spent any time in Germany?

Their education system, which alongside their business model was overhauled by us after WW2, has resulted in a people very aware of the circumstances which resulted in the Nazis and a steely determination to ensure it never happens again. Yes the stupid exist. They do everywhere.

The problem is not really the various ‘isms, economic conditions etc, it’s human nature.

 

[cryrst]

The original claim was that terrorism was exclusively an Islamic phenomenon. All I did was point out that it isn’t, according to the reported work of our security services who say whilst 75% of what they do is indeed related to Islamic extremism, the other 25% is devoted to extreme right wing concerns.

How that relates to the % of us being Muslim, or the number of consequential deaths, wasn’t mentioned. Only the amount of time and effort spent by our security services as a counter to the suggestion that only Islam is involved.

Unsurprisingly the cohort on the right here don’t like the idea and rushed to distance themselves from any suggestions that their attitudes are anything other than as pure as the driven snow. Picking out some convicted of right wing terror and conveniently reclassifying them as mentally disturbed, forgetting that precisely the same defence could be mounted for many terrorists, whatever their alleged motivation.

There must be good reasons why our security services spend that % of their time investigating the extreme right. That the right think it’s unnecessary isn’t a reason not to. There are lots of us who think there is.

Strangely you have a lot of dont knows in this which is concerning for it being your post. I would hazard that the ‘right’ being Joe Public mainly, are monitored so much because they are the ones who actually understand WTF is going on and have no qualms highlighting it. The left and the establishment don’t like this so a good tar brush sorts it out!!!

 

[Spindle]

most terror on our streets is with knives & crashing cars into people. So will we ban kitchen knives and cars ?
Immigration. Men, men, and more men. Mostly from countries with backward homophobic ideologies.....christian or otherwise.

Well I bought a knife set for my daughter for Xmas, I had to sign for them and provide ID. All part of the benefits of diversity, it's another cultural win just like airport security and anti vehicle bollards

 

[Stirlingsays]

Hitler's regime hid what what happening at both the eastern front and the extermination camps in Poland.

He did not announce and share it with the German people. For the most part they wouldn't have agreed with it even though antisemitism and anticommunism were cultural norms.

That's the not the same as agreeing with gas chambers and shooting people in the back of the head.

This kind of secrecy can't happen in the modern day with technology......I know the social liberals, davos and silicon valley are trying to create a digital and social control mechanism to roll out across the west....so you can be their slaves to their masters....little worker ants.....But they have their work cut out going from where we are now to that situation.....Perhaps they will engineer scare situations....because we have seen that plenty of people are prepared to be pussies and give up liberties if a scary illness turns up, like Covid.

The long and short of it is that the Hitler regime was unique to the situation in Germany 1918-1933. You can't recreate it because the world doesn't work like that. However, we are seeing authoritarian regimes but just with different justifications.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

…by importing more undocumented young males and hoping they are more inclined to support your wishes rather than oppose them…

We aren’t though importing undocumented young males are we? They are arriving uninvited and claiming asylum. Something everyone wants to stop. Until we find the way to achieve that we mustn’t just assume a way will soon be found so we must do other things. Moaning on web forums achieves nothing.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

There’s ensuring something like the nazis never happens again. Then there’s encouraging millions of people from a culture that doesn’t align with yours and will soon outnumber you and takeover. You either don’t care or don’t care because you won’t live to see it.

Nobody is encouraging that! Don’t be ridiculous. I want everyone who comes here to be fully aligned with our culture and for it to become a prerequisite of the granting of any permanent residence visa. It must not be optional so should there be any doubt that new arrivals are failing to make efforts then visa extensions must be refused. In the meantime we must deal with any who are here. You know my proposals on this. I am tolerant of most things, so long as they have no impact on others, but on this I am not. Those who come here must accept our culture or they cannot stay.

I don’t though believe this would meet the kind of resistance that some seem to anticipate. Many have quite naturally done this already. Being in a culture tends to do that. There being nothing to stop you celebrating your previous culture with others, if done quietly and privately.

So I care. Not so much for me but for those I care about who will follow me.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

The original claim was that terrorism was exclusively an Islamic phenomenon. All I did was point out that it isn’t, according to the reported work of our security services who say whilst 75% of what they do is indeed related to Islamic extremism, the other 25% is devoted to extreme right wing concerns.

How that relates to the % of us being Muslim, or the number of consequential deaths, wasn’t mentioned. Only the amount of time and effort spent by our security services as a counter to the suggestion that only Islam is involved.

Unsurprisingly the cohort on the right here don’t like the idea and rushed to distance themselves from any suggestions that their attitudes are anything other than as pure as the driven snow. Picking out some convicted of right wing terror and conveniently reclassifying them as mentally disturbed, forgetting that precisely the same defence could be mounted for many terrorists, whatever their alleged motivation.

There must be good reasons why our security services spend that % of their time investigating the extreme right. That the right think it’s unnecessary isn’t a reason not to. There are lots of us who think there is.

Scroll.down to organisations. One faction shows more often than the others.

Terrorism in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Common Sense Club]

We aren’t though importing undocumented young males are we? They are arriving uninvited and claiming asylum. Something everyone wants to stop. Until we find the way to achieve that we mustn’t just assume a way will soon be found so we must do other things. Moaning on web forums achieves n

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Strangely you have a lot of dont knows in this which is concerning for it being your post. I would hazard that the ‘right’ being Joe Public mainly, are monitored so much because they are the ones who actually understand WTF is going on and have no qualms highlighting it. The left and the establishment don’t like this so a good tar brush sorts it out!!!

None of us know what the security forces know. They keep it secure! You hazard as many guesses as you like. My guess being that your prejudice colours your guesses.

Joe Public isn’t a far right extremist. He floats along with the wind and the tide, lured by promises that cannot be delivered and by false dawns.

I never imagined Farage as a Siren, half women, half bird, luring sailors to disaster with false promises, but perhaps I should.

 

[Spindle]

The original claim was that terrorism was exclusively an Islamic phenomenon. All I did was point out that it isn’t, according to the reported work of our security services who say whilst 75% of what they do is indeed related to Islamic extremism, the other 25% is devoted to extreme right wing concerns.

How that relates to the % of us being Muslim, or the number of consequential deaths, wasn’t mentioned. Only the amount of time and effort spent by our security services as a counter to the suggestion that only Islam is involved.

Unsurprisingly the cohort on the right here don’t like the idea and rushed to distance themselves from any suggestions that their attitudes are anything other than as pure as the driven snow. Picking out some convicted of right wing terror and conveniently reclassifying them as mentally disturbed, forgetting that precisely the same defence could be mounted for many terrorists, whatever their alleged motivation.

There must be good reasons why our security services spend that % of their time investigating the extreme right. That the right think it’s unnecessary isn’t a reason not to. There are lots of us who think there is.

Verbal diarrhoea

 

[Common Sense Club]

We aren’t though importing undocumented young males are we? They are arriving uninvited and claiming asylum. Something everyone wants to stop. Until we find the way to achieve that we mustn’t just assume a way will soon be found so we must do other things. Moaning on web forums achieves nothing.

It seems strange that you want the uninvited arrivals to stop yet will not entertain Trump-like policies to achieve it ( that seem to have been successful) . You must be in turmoil.

 

[Spindle]

Evolution explains, but if you read both Darwin and Dawkins, survival for us doesn’t depend solely on biology or the need for physical survival. We survive through collective efforts to preserve and develop society.

We have evolved to find greater success by sharing tasks, through learning tolerance and inclusivity.

Teaching children respect for others is just part of that.

Clearly you've not read, nor understood, Darwin. So alligators have been brilliant at developing society, what with them being stable from an evolutionary perspective for millions of years and one of the oldest species alive today. Had they not developed and matured their society they'd have died out, according to your logic.

Total guff. We're animals, still are. The only reason we have this bullshit is because we made better weapons faster and kept them. It's a symptom of development not a cause.

 

[Spindle]

Scroll.down to organisations. One faction shows more often than the others.

Terrorism in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What a list. But no, let's worry about those 3 blokes from National Action

 

[the silurian]

We aren’t though importing undocumented young males are we? They are arriving uninvited and claiming asylum. Something everyone wants to stop. Until we find the way to achieve that we mustn’t just assume a way will soon be found so we must do other things. Moaning on web forums achieves nothing.

Something everyone wants to stop ? Except, it seems, those with the power to stop it!!! Starmer and co actually seem to want these people in the country..Why?

 

[Spiderman]

Nobody is encouraging that! Don’t be ridiculous. I want everyone who comes here to be fully aligned with our culture and for it to become a prerequisite of the granting of any permanent residence visa. It must not be optional so should there be any doubt that new arrivals are failing to make efforts then visa extensions must be refused. In the meantime we must deal with any who are here. You know my proposals on this. I am tolerant of most things, so long as they have no impact on others, but on this I am not. Those who come here must accept our culture or they cannot stay.

I don’t though believe this would meet the kind of resistance that some seem to anticipate. Many have quite naturally done this already. Being in a culture tends to do that. There being nothing to stop you celebrating your previous culture with others, if done quietly and privately.

So I care. Not so much for me but for those I care about who will follow me.

🤣 how do you expect that to be done? I give you HRA, ECHR and HR lawyers ala Starmer. Will never happen.
Similarly with the granting of permanent residency, how will their alignment be tested? Sitting an exam, personal interview? Not practical and even then, they will no doubt have an appeal, hide behind “ right to family life” etc

 

[Rudi Hedman]

We aren’t though importing undocumented young males are we? They are arriving uninvited and claiming asylum. Something everyone wants to stop. Until we find the way to achieve that we mustn’t just assume a way will soon be found so we must do other things. Moaning on web forums achieves nothing.

BS, we could stop it if we wanted to. We can defend ourselves against the nazis and we the D-Day landings weee successful. Further, we could end the attraction. Make it very unappealing. Mattresses on floors shared in large indoor spaces. No more hotel rooms and comfort.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Nobody is encouraging that! Don’t be ridiculous. I want everyone who comes here to be fully aligned with our culture and for it to become a prerequisite of the granting of any permanent residence visa. It must not be optional so should there be any doubt that new arrivals are failing to make efforts then visa extensions must be refused. In the meantime we must deal with any who are here. You know my proposals on this. I am tolerant of most things, so long as they have no impact on others, but on this I am not. Those who come here must accept our culture or they cannot stay.

I don’t though believe this would meet the kind of resistance that some seem to anticipate. Many have quite naturally done this already. Being in a culture tends to do that. There being nothing to stop you celebrating your previous culture with others, if done quietly and privately.

So I care. Not so much for me but for those I care about who will follow me.

Absolute BS as usual, said from hundreds of miles away. And I don’t want to celebrate my culture quietly, same as I don’t want things disappearing, like pubs for example. Mosques springing up everywhere. Burkas and veils being worn on high streets. You go on about wanting a secular society and defend this invasion. Illogical and treacherous nonsense.

 

[beak]

I have to say that today's figures of doctor's nationality disturbs me greatly 38% of doctors are from foreign climes. let me be absolutely honest and say that if my life is in the balance i do not care wether the doctor who saves my life is from Tipperary ,Timbuktoo or Twekesbury this will offend the right -wing zealots who post ( some just dribble but that is my conclusion. This is a very long standing percentage that the Tories have chosen rather than train British doctors.