I meant the Ricky Jones case. I agree with you on LC’s sentence and bail.
Here we go, blatant two tier judiciary
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I meant the Ricky Jones case. I agree with you on LC’s sentence and bail.
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If you or others cannot explain legal reasons - then it's a government stitch up.
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Friend-enemy distinction isn't just a phrase that Matov came up with.
It's political theory and comes from Carl Schmitt, writing back in the 30s.
It's something you increasingly see in societies that have become polarised and where justice strays from the impartial and where the state becomes more and more authoritarian as it declines in social power.
It's political theory and comes from Carl Schmitt, writing back in the 30s.
It's something you increasingly see in societies that have become polarised and where justice strays from the impartial and where the state becomes more and more authoritarian as it declines in social power.
I think ‘stitch up’ is far too strong, but certainly a massive overreach for LC. It serves no purpose to anyone her being locked up, especially not her and her young family.
Conflating the LC case with the RJ one is extremely unhelpful I think though, and glad you at least recognise some of the differences between the two.
I get the anger though, even if I think a lot of it is misplaced for most people.
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The Last Days of Rome.
The Romans had more enemies living within the walls than without.
Its time to pack up your tins of beans and find a forest Cabin in Iceland/the Faroe islands. Cos there be a Storm a 'comin.
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There's that 'unhelpful' word again.
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wrong bird. Sterling is an Eagle, eagle.
And considering all things Eagle, do you fly around in circles all the time cos you only got a Left wing ?
Almost like it’s a word in the English dictionary, George.
Let’s have a toke on whatever you’ve had on the go today.
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Well, I agree that what has happened is unhelpful to those who peddle the political views that you share.
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give us a big slurp of that Globalist Kool-Aid there please Eagle. Is your telly stuck permanently on the BBC news ?
Two Tier, British Politics is looking like the Holmesdale road.
Stirlingsays
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Give it time.
At some point in the future you're going to be feeling quite differently about the DR.
Will probably be jogged as a memory when the quiz question in 20 years time is ‘who were the 50 something year old terminally online white blokes who thought the entire system was rigged against them because of bollocks they watched from grifters on the internet in the 2020s’
Pretty sure the only thing I’ve peddled in this thread is a basic understanding of the British legal system.
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I am late to the party here. But I am taking it that Dan's argument is that the Lucy pleaded guilty, and Ricky didn't and was subsequently acquitted by a jury, so legal due process has been appropriately followed and there is no problem (Dan I am sure you will correct me if I am misinterpreting here).
If anything this makes the situation worse. It is quite obvious that Ricky's offence was more serious than Lucy's (though many of us would agree that there is no value in either spending time in prison). The outcomes are therefore wrong. You may argue they have been reached separately in good faith, but they are wrong nonetheless, which might quite sensibly lead to the conclusion that there is a 2-tier judiciary with blatant legal bias in favour of left wing views. It's not necessarily the case, but I for one, as someone right of centre but moderate and wholly dismissive of conspiracy theories, have been seriously shocked by this course of events.
This leads me to question whether I have been naive in refusing to believe that our system is being steadily and deliberately taken over by left wingers. I still don't want to believe it but my faith has been dented, and I fear the outcome of Ricky's acquittal could be major civil unrest, and put bluntly, I could well understand why.
If anything this makes the situation worse. It is quite obvious that Ricky's offence was more serious than Lucy's (though many of us would agree that there is no value in either spending time in prison). The outcomes are therefore wrong. You may argue they have been reached separately in good faith, but they are wrong nonetheless, which might quite sensibly lead to the conclusion that there is a 2-tier judiciary with blatant legal bias in favour of left wing views. It's not necessarily the case, but I for one, as someone right of centre but moderate and wholly dismissive of conspiracy theories, have been seriously shocked by this course of events.
This leads me to question whether I have been naive in refusing to believe that our system is being steadily and deliberately taken over by left wingers. I still don't want to believe it but my faith has been dented, and I fear the outcome of Ricky's acquittal could be major civil unrest, and put bluntly, I could well understand why.
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More likely to be a 22 year old asking, "is it true that some people were supporting all this when it started in this country"?
It probably won't be a pub quiz anyway at the rate they're closing.
Stirlingsays
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The real stereotype is that you think our opinions are shaped by others. I mean, like anyone else I have influences but life itself has taught me far more than any person on the Internet.
I see this on the left all the time.
It's part of their inability to understand the right wing mind.
However, when you actually look at which groups are most obsessed by and indeed led by group think and the need for consensus and approval from others it's much more the left.
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Agreed, the Left's ability in ignoring what is in front of their noses is astonishing.
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To those that still think the legal system and indeed the juries that the legal system selects aren't biased and still need convincing.....then I only have to present the case of Sam Melia.
He was the guy sent down for two years for putting up stickers on lamp-posts.
A jury trial didn't save Sam Melia.
He never threatened the slitting of any throats. Indeed, not one of those stickers threatened violence.
In the trial it was admitted that nothing Melia said on those posters was illegal in of itself and that it didn't matter if what he said was factually true or not.
They decided that because they didn't like what he was doing that he would be convicted.....I think there is a certain mindset that still believes and indeed wants to believe, that this country is the same one they grew up in.....I ask them to leave behind pre-conceived notions and just observe what you see objectively.
Friend-enemy distinction is real and the state and the institutions are fully implicated in it.
He was the guy sent down for two years for putting up stickers on lamp-posts.
A jury trial didn't save Sam Melia.
He never threatened the slitting of any throats. Indeed, not one of those stickers threatened violence.
In the trial it was admitted that nothing Melia said on those posters was illegal in of itself and that it didn't matter if what he said was factually true or not.
They decided that because they didn't like what he was doing that he would be convicted.....I think there is a certain mindset that still believes and indeed wants to believe, that this country is the same one they grew up in.....I ask them to leave behind pre-conceived notions and just observe what you see objectively.
Friend-enemy distinction is real and the state and the institutions are fully implicated in it.
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