Grooming gangs

[Spindle]

Data accessed through Freedom of Information requests, reveal that of the 1,453 sex assault convictions on women in 2024, 26 per cent were foreign nationals. Eight percent are recorded as having ‘unknown’ nationalities , so the real total could be even higher.

Racist!

 

[Teddy Eagle]

What conclusion do you draw from that?

Maybe so their officers can concentrate on the crimes alone?

Concentrate on the crimes? Obviously the entire investigation would be jeopardised by the time spent ticking a box on a form.
The conclusion I draw is much like the Yes, Minister quote - if stats don't exist no one can be criticised for them.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You wouldn't differentiate between a street corner weed dealer and the Sinaloa Cartel then. They're all criminals, and overall mostly white men, with a smattering of Mexicans in there.

That’s not a reasonable analogy though.

Any sex crime is serious and deserves to be treated seriously and not compared with something that many believe ought to be legal.

If the street corner dealer was selling crack then maybe!

 

[ASCPFC]

Concentrate on the crimes? Obviously the entire investigation would be jeopardised by the time spent ticking a box on a form.
The conclusion I draw is much like the Yes, Minister quote - if stats don't exist no one can be criticised for them.

Consider how much the percentage of crime would become if every single offence the grooming gangs committed were counted. That's a stat no one will ever see. There would be thousands of offences, probably tens of thousands.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

"A lesbian couple in Berkeley, California, allowed their adopted son to undergo hormone-blocking treatment to transition to female. They claim that Thomas, at age seven, expressed a desire for genital mutilation, which led to a diagnosis of gender identity disorder and the subsequent start of the transition process at age eight. "

QUite a lot of stories like this one.

Individual stories don’t tell big pictures. I am sure there are other stories out there, if you looked hard enough, that would tell things about straight couples with right wing views doing things that some disapprove of.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Concentrate on the crimes? Obviously the entire investigation would be jeopardised by the time spent ticking a box on a form.
The conclusion I draw is much like the Yes, Minister quote - if stats don't exist no one can be criticised for them.

When the decision was not to collect the data there would be less box ticking and more time for investigation!

My conclusion was if they don’t collect these stats no group can claim being unreasonably targeted thus freeing up the police to concentrate on the crime without being concerned about how it could be portrayed.

 

[georgenorman]

When the decision was not to collect the data there would be less box ticking and more time for investigation!

My conclusion was if they don’t collect these stats no group can claim being unreasonably targeted thus freeing up the police to concentrate on the crime without being concerned about how it could be portrayed.

"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink." [Orwell]

 

[Teddy Eagle]

When the decision was not to collect the data there would be less box ticking and more time for investigation!

My conclusion was if they don’t collect these stats no group can claim being unreasonably targeted thus freeing up the police to concentrate on the crime without being concerned about how it could be portrayed.

Absolutely. That second could be vital.
Without the data a situation can be presented in any way that suits an agenda and can't be disproved.

 

[georgenorman]

Individual stories don’t tell big pictures. I am sure there are other stories out there, if you looked hard enough, that would tell things about straight couples with right wing views doing things that some disapprove of.

Are the lesbian couple in Berkeley, California who are promoting the genital mutilation of an eight-year-old left wing then? What make you think that? Perhaps they are staunch Trump supporters? So surprised that such a sagacious chap as you jumps to conclusions.

 

[Stirlingsays]

"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink." [Orwell]

He's just anti white...anti us....it appears to be what fuels him.

Parasitic considering he made his money mostly from them.

 

[becky]

That’s not a reasonable analogy though.

Any sex crime is serious and deserves to be treated seriously and not compared with something that many believe ought to be legal.

If the street corner dealer was selling crack then maybe!

And therein lies the heart of the problem......

for these (mainly) Pakistani muslim men, under Sharia Law, which is the only one they actually respect, these white, non-muslim, free living girls are there to be taken as sex slaves and used in any manner they think fit because they are regarded as the lowest of the low - and there are many videos out there with them saying as much. So, for them, it IS legal to do this.

Until their minds can be changed on that belief (probably never), or until the punishment is sufficient to make such behaviour not worth while this problem will not go away.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

A lot of cases under review.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-failed-identify-disproportionate-number-asian-men-grooming-gangs-report-says-2025-06-16/

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Absolutely. That second could be vital.
Without the data a situation can be presented in any way that suits an agenda and can't be disproved.

It was you who suggested that the box ticking would make a difference!

I am suggesting a positive reason why such a policy might have been adopted. Not that it was, or that I endorse it.

You, of course, being distrustful and cynical, believe a negative reason must explain it.

Only the police themselves actually know. So perhaps it’s best to wait until an enquiry asks them.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

A lot of cases under review.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-failed-identify-disproportionate-number-asian-men-grooming-gangs-report-says-2025-06-16/

That report isn’t reviewing anything!

It’s merely reporting what Baroness Casey described and her recommendations.

Failing to identify the ethnicity of any group is what happens if the data isn’t collected! Not just Asian!

 

[Teddy Eagle]

That report isn’t reviewing anything!

It’s merely reporting what Baroness Casey described and her recommendations.

Failing to identify the ethnicity of any group is what happens if the data isn’t collected! Not just Asian!

The report isn't reviewing anything. The police are.

The police have already identified more than 800 cases for review, with the figure expected to rise to over 1,000 in the coming weeks, Cooper said.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It was you who suggested that the box ticking would make a difference!

I am suggesting a positive reason why such a policy might have been adopted. Not that it was, or that I endorse it.

You, of course, being distrustful and cynical, believe a negative reason must explain it.

Only the police themselves actually know. So perhaps it’s best to wait until an enquiry asks them.

I suggested it would make a difference in helping the investigation(s) not that it would be detrimental.
It wasn't successful and you don't support it but still feel the need to defend the decision.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

And therein lies the heart of the problem......

for these (mainly) Pakistani muslim men, under Sharia Law, which is the only one they actually respect, these white, non-muslim, free living girls are there to be taken as sex slaves and used in any manner they think fit because they are regarded as the lowest of the low - and there are many videos out there with them saying as much. So, for them, it IS legal to do this.

Until their minds can be changed on that belief (probably never), or until the punishment is sufficient to make such behaviour not worth while this problem will not go away.

The heart of the problem is the assumption that what you claim is actually true.

It being an urban myth that might be true isn’t enough. The actual evidence must be found, and that’s not easy.

What is true is that no one in the UK lives under Sharia Law and anyone who thinks they do need to be disavowed of that belief with ruthless determination.

For me that means ensuring that any place where such beliefs are taught and fostered are closed down and anyone promoting them thrown in jail. Using Sharia as a form of mutually acceptable dispute resolution is perfectly acceptable so long as all parties know it’s not legally binding and they can resort to the law if needed.

We need to support and strengthen the ability of those, predominantly women, who are regarded as second class citizens in any culture.

Punishment is not enough, nor the ultimate answer. Education is. It’s one of the primary reasons I want to see all religious influences removed from all schools. Including those run by Muslim clerics. They have no place in our country.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I suggested it would make a difference in helping the investigation(s) not that it would be detrimental.
It wasn't successful and you don't support it but still feel the need to defend the decision.

You don’t know that it wasn’t successful, if success was the ability to pursue offenders without the risk of them claiming racial targeting.

I don’t defend decisions I don’t know were taken! I defend the right of people to take decisions in good faith.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

You don’t know that it wasn’t successful, if success was the ability to pursue offenders without the risk of them claiming racial targeting.

I don’t defend decisions I don’t know were taken! I defend the right of people to take decisions in good faith.

Where is the evidence it was successful? If it was then why change it.
Remember the last sentence next time Trump does something.

 

[beak]

Where is the evidence it was successful? If it was then why change it.
Remember the last sentence next time Trump does something.

You don’t know that it wasn’t successful, if success was the ability to pursue offenders without the risk of them claiming racial targeting.

I don’t defend decisions I don’t know were taken! I defend the right of people to take decisions in good faith.

Blimey Teddy that is quite a post Trump acting in good faith he postures bullies lies,changes his mind like Katie Price and you have the gonads to mention good faith. Wow! Super breathtaking.