Grooming gangs

[Wisbech Eagle]

i see labour are already spinning that most sex crimes are committed by white men (true). However mixing in Grooming gangs with family related sex crimes just muddy's the water which is what they want to do.

Why is it muddy?

Sex crime is a crime wherever it is committed. Crime being committed by criminals, whatever their ethnicity. A victim is still a victim. Non is more, or less, important.

It needs to be said, and not ignored.

 

[beak]

I wonder if they would repeat that choice if there was a general election tomorrow.

Rhetorical. I'm not leading anyone towards a specific answer.

Theory is wonderful,it usually fails ask a million lemmings.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

We know only too well the 'strong argument' for not collecting the data.

I bet you think you do!

 

[georgenorman]

I bet you think you do!

I bet you think you know better.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Why is it muddy?

Sex crime is a crime wherever it is committed. Crime being committed by criminals, whatever their ethnicity. A victim is still a victim. Non is more, or less, important.

It needs to be said, and not ignored.

From the BBC
On the question of ethnicity, the report said: "We found that the ethnicity of perpetrators is shied away from and is still not recorded for two-thirds of perpetrators, so we are unable to provide any accurate assessment from the nationally collected data".
However, it added that at a local level for three police forces - Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire - there was enough evidence to show a "disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds amongst suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation".
Cooper said: "Ignoring the issues, not examining and exposing them to the light, allows the criminality and depravity of a minority of men to be used to marginalise whole communities."

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It does. Part of the grooming by left wing activists on their path to approve anything and everything a minority group does, racial or sexual, at the expense of the working white man.

That is clearly both untrue and a ridiculous assertion. The idea that just because any individual holds political views that could be described as left leaning means they approve of any kind of appalling child abuse is simply nonsensical.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

From the BBC
On the question of ethnicity, the report said: "We found that the ethnicity of perpetrators is shied away from and is still not recorded for two-thirds of perpetrators, so we are unable to provide any accurate assessment from the nationally collected data".
However, it added that at a local level for three police forces - Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire - there was enough evidence to show a "disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds amongst suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation".
Cooper said: "Ignoring the issues, not examining and exposing them to the light, allows the criminality and depravity of a minority of men to be used to marginalise whole communities."

I have read the BBC analysis and see no relevance to my comment. Both are true.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I bet you think you know better.

You may very well think that. I make no comment.

 

[georgenorman]

You may very well think that. I make no comment.

Well that would be a first.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I have read the BBC analysis and see no relevance to my comment. Both are true.

OK.
Carry on maintaining they were right not to collect the data.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

OK.
Carry on maintaining they were right not to collect the data.

My comment had no connection to that. It was about the importance of not ignoring other child sex crime. You are asserting things that I have not said.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

My comment had no connection to that. It was about the importance of not ignoring other child sex crime. You are asserting things that I have not said.

They are things you've said many times over a long period of time.

 

[georgenorman]

Data accessed through Freedom of Information requests, reveal that of the 1,453 sex assault convictions on women in 2024, 26 per cent were foreign nationals. Eight percent are recorded as having ‘unknown’ nationalities , so the real total could be even higher.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

They are things you've said many times over a long period of time.

About the need to avoid alienating whole communities certainly but about the wisdom of collecting data? I think not! You are jumping to conclusions.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Data accessed through Freedom of Information requests, reveal that of the 1,453 sex assault convictions on women in 2024, 26 per cent were foreign nationals. Eight percent are recorded as having ‘unknown’ nationalities , so the real total could be even higher.

This thread is about the grooming of children!

 

[Teddy Eagle]

About the need to avoid alienating whole communities certainly but about the wisdom of collecting data? I think not! You are jumping to conclusions.

Does this sound familiar?

Whilst some have collected it, most haven’t. Probably not by omission but because of the need to separate criminal activity from any kind of arbitrary characteristics. They wouldn’t collect data on those committing crimes who only had one leg or drove Minis. They would just use such descriptions to identify perpetrators.

 

[georgenorman]

This thread is about the grooming of children!

I thought, as far as you are concerned, it is about playing down and making various excuses for abuse and the covering up of it.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Does this sound familiar?

Whilst some have collected it, most haven’t. Probably not by omission but because of the need to separate criminal activity from any kind of arbitrary characteristics. They wouldn’t collect data on those committing crimes who only had one leg or drove Minis. They would just use such descriptions to identify perpetrators.

That is a description of what was done. Not an endorsement of it.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I thought, as far as you are concerned, it is about playing down and making various excuses for abuse and the covering up of it.

Then you would be completely wrong.

 

[cryrst]

i see labour are already spinning that most sex crimes are committed by white men (true). However mixing in Grooming gangs with family related sex crimes just muddy's the water which is what they want to do.

Yup it’s like profit. You work on pound notes or %.
An old boss question why a 500 quid job only made 50 quid and a 1000 job made 90 quid. I explained the % was less for the 90 and he STFU.
A % of a demographic is a lot ie 10% of a certain ethnicity do a high % of this crime which looks bad. Use the actual number and obs more whites do it. We are 90% of the population and most is inter family.
A bit like Muslim marriage 😳