Grooming gangs

[georgenorman]

Then you would be completely wrong.

Oh, no I'm not.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

That is a description of what was done. Not an endorsement of it.

No defence of that approach? OK, if you say so.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

No defence of that approach? OK, if you say so.

Defending those who took decisions they believed correct at the time they took them, with the knowledge they then possessed, doesn’t mean endorsing anything that might, or might not, have resulted as a consequence.

Baroness Casey takes the view that data collection is a requirement, at least partly, to ensure that whole communities are not alienated. She also sees avoiding alienation as important and as she has looked into this in much greater detail than me I am prepared to accept her judgement that data collection will help and not hinder it. I have never offered an opinion beyond saying I expect some push back. I expect that because it is counter intuitive.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Defending those who took decisions they believed correct at the time they took them, with the knowledge they then possessed, doesn’t mean endorsing anything that might, or might not, have resulted as a consequence.

Baroness Casey takes the view that data collection is a requirement, at least partly, to ensure that whole communities are not alienated. She also sees avoiding alienation as important and as she has looked into this in much greater detail than me I am prepared to accept her judgement that data collection will help and not hinder it. I have never offered an opinion beyond saying I expect some push back. I expect that because it is counter intuitive.

It was a fairly recent decision. It isn't explained why this data was collected in some cases but not in others.
From Google.
In 2010, ethnic data on criminals convicted of robbery was only absent in 14 per cent of cases. By 2024, that had jumped to 44 per cent. This was similar for offences of violence against the person, where the failure to record ethnicity increased from 11 per cent to 30 per cent.

 

[georgenorman]

Defending those who took decisions they believed correct at the time they took them, with the knowledge they then possessed, doesn’t mean endorsing anything that might, or might not, have resulted as a consequence.

Baroness Casey takes the view that data collection is a requirement, at least partly, to ensure that whole communities are not alienated. She also sees avoiding alienation as important and as she has looked into this in much greater detail than me I am prepared to accept her judgement that data collection will help and not hinder it. I have never offered an opinion beyond saying I expect some push back. I expect that because it is counter intuitive.

So they took decisions that they believed were correct with the knowledge that children were being raped by gangs of predominantly men of Pakistani heritage, the obvious consequence being that the rapes would continue. But that's ok, as they didn't alienate the community of the paedophiles and avoided being labelled as racists.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It was a fairly recent decision. It isn't explained why this data was collected in some cases but not in others.
From Google.
In 2010, ethnic data on criminals convicted of robbery was only absent in 14 per cent of cases. By 2024, that had jumped to 44 per cent. This was similar for offences of violence against the person, where the failure to record ethnicity increased from 11 per cent to 30 per cent.

You would need to ask the police why that was. We can only speculate that they had decided it was no longer considered relevant.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

So they took decisions that they believed were correct with the knowledge that children were being raped by gangs of predominantly men of Pakistani heritage, the obvious consequence being that the rapes would continue. But that's ok, as they didn't alienate the community of the paedophiles and avoided being labelled as racists.

Most of these political threads are a handful of people arguing with the same troll.
It is a complete waste of time arguing with fruitcakes.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

You would need to ask the police why that was. We can only speculate that they had decided it was no longer considered relevant.

Police forces cease recording race of people they stop

Forces that no longer record ethnicity are those most likely to stop disproportionate numbers of black people

www.theguardian.com

 

[cryrst]

Police forces cease recording race of people they stop

Forces that no longer record ethnicity are those most likely to stop disproportionate numbers of black people

www.theguardian.com

Blacks disproportionately carry more guns, knives and commit more crimes.
Sort of a false economy filling quotas of stop and search really.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

Those who turned a blind eye to what was going on should be locked up, we can all agree on that?

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Most of these political threads are a handful of people arguing with the same troll.
It is a complete waste of time arguing with fruitcakes.

As I regularly do it here I disagree.

Showing their arguments to be without merit informs others.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Police forces cease recording race of people they stop

Forces that no longer record ethnicity are those most likely to stop disproportionate numbers of black people

www.theguardian.com

What conclusion do you draw from that?

Maybe so their officers can concentrate on the crimes alone?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Those who turned a blind eye to what was going on should be locked up, we can all agree on that?

As “turning a blind eye” indicates wilfully ignoring your duty, we can.

What we must not do is include those who determined, or followed, honest, objective conclusions that others disagreed with, or have subsequently been seen to be ineffective.

We must never punish people for trying to do what they think is right, just because we disagree. You would end up with no one wanting to take responsibility.

 

[georgenorman]

As “turning a blind eye” indicates wilfully ignoring your duty, we can.

What we must not do is include those who determined, or followed, honest, objective conclusions that others disagreed with, or have subsequently been seen to be ineffective.

We must never punish people for trying to do what they think is right, just because we disagree. You would end up with no one wanting to take responsibility.

Does anyone on here give credence to the Sage's disingenuous misdirection?

 

[NMPalace]

Why is it muddy?

Sex crime is a crime wherever it is committed. Crime being committed by criminals, whatever their ethnicity. A victim is still a victim. Non is more, or less, important.

It needs to be said, and not ignored.

I think there are a few issues here.

Firstly as has been said all grooming crimes should be investigated the ethnicity is less important and perhaps the reason it wasn't always captured.

Secondly as the ethnicity wasn't always recorded, somewhere a bean counter didn't join the dots. However, how we capture ethnicity on forms can be confusing. From the Gov.UK website their 'asian and asian british' category includes a number of countries so Pakistan would be difficult to uniquely identify.

Asian or Asian British​

• Indian
• Pakistani
• Bangladeshi
• Chinese
• Any other Asian background

Then there is this statement that grooming gangs are 'predominantly' pakistani. This seems very true for cases where these vulnerable girls have been groomed in person. However, there have been multiple cases of online grooming and i have yet to see a non white person (and this includes a number of women) convicted of these crimes.

So again, if a bean counter was looking at all grooming incidents the pakistani bias might not be as evident.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I think there are a few issues here.

Firstly as has been said all grooming crimes should be investigated the ethnicity is less important and perhaps the reason it wasn't always captured.

Secondly as the ethnicity wasn't always recorded, somewhere a bean counter didn't join the dots. However, how we capture ethnicity on forms can be confusing. From the Gov.UK website their 'asian and asian british' category includes a number of countries so Pakistan would be difficult to uniquely identify.

Asian or Asian British​

• Indian
• Pakistani
• Bangladeshi
• Chinese
• Any other Asian background

Then there is this statement that grooming gangs are 'predominantly' pakistani. This seems very true for cases where these vulnerable girls have been groomed in person. However, there have been multiple cases of online grooming and i have yet to see a non white person (and this includes a number of women) convicted of these crimes.

So again, if a bean counter was looking at all grooming incidents the pakistani bias might not be as evident.

You are yet another one who is desperate to obfuscate reality.

Why?

Just about everyone knows who is responsible for this organised rape and torture of girls in multiple towns.
We know it was covered up, no matter what anyone in government, or formerly in government, says now.

 

[Badger11]

Pakistan refuses to accept jailed rape gang members that UK wishes to deport.

Much hand wringing from the UK government.

Trump would know what to do.

1. Stop all foreign aid to Pakistan
2. Cancel visa scheme for Pakistani's wishing to come to the UK for work, study, holiday, whatever.
3. Advise all Pakistani's currently here that there visa will not be renewed and they should leave when when it is up.

Let's see how keen the Pakistani government is to continue to refuse to take back their citizens.

 

[Spindle]

Why is it muddy?

Sex crime is a crime wherever it is committed. Crime being committed by criminals, whatever their ethnicity. A victim is still a victim. Non is more, or less, important.

It needs to be said, and not ignored.

You wouldn't differentiate between a street corner weed dealer and the Sinaloa Cartel then. They're all criminals, and overall mostly white men, with a smattering of Mexicans in there.