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Grooming gangs

Teddy Eagle said:
From The Guardian:
Lady Casey said she found evidence of “over-representation” of Asian and Pakistani heritage men among suspects in local data – collected in Greater Manchester, West and South Yorkshire – and criticised a continued failure to gather robust data at a national level.

Such data was available.
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Exactly.

Classic Sir Humphrey. If you do not collect the data then you can deny the problem exists. When finally you have to admit it does exist you point out that you didn't know because you didn't collect the data.
 
Badger11 said:
BBS in full denial mode.
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the Blair-Brown Soapbox.

What authorities ( & employees) prevented any punishments for these rape gangs ?

And in other news, to attempt to cover-up or otherwise prevent a baddie getting punished ? that would be a 'conspiracy to pervert the course of justice'..........a very serious crime meriting jail-time. As did the lady in the link below.

www.bbc.com

Darren Pencille: Train killer 'would panic during rail journeys'

Darren Pencille, the man who stabbed Lee Pomeroy to death on a London-bound train, had a history of mental illness.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
Badger11 said:
BBS in full denial mode. Offenders mainly white, it's all Reform’s fault blah blah.

Regarding ethnicity.

It is true that the majority of sex child offenders are white British. However these offences are mainly committed in the home normally by the father. The result maybe the same, but it is not the same type of crime as pimping girls out to strangers.

I would not expect PC99 to know what is going on in someone's home unless it has been reported.

The point about the Grooming gangs is that the victims were not related to the offenders and was taking place in public. It can be argued that they were being used as prostitutes.

You would expect the local authorities to be aware of the local sex trade and therefore the makeup of the people involved.

The government will now record the ethnicity of the offenders but I suspect the purpose of this is to hide the grooming gangs amongst the family related cases e.g. 90% of all sex offences are by white men why are you focusing on Pakistanis?

White grooming gangs do exist and should be eradicated but we should not lose focus on the real problem.
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They're mainly white because the population is mainly white. But what is it per capita based on gangs alone? I think we have a clear winner
 
Spindle said:
All MPs who took part in glossing over or just the Labour ones? Tories were in for 14 years and did nothing at all
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Obviously, the fear of looking 'racist' and losing some Muslim voters was more important to them than exposing Labour councillors and the police for their cover up.

That does not diminish Labour's disgraceful behaviour. It is rotten from the ground up.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Obviously, the fear of looking 'racist' and losing some Muslim voters was more important to them than exposing Labour councillors and the police for their cover up.

That does not diminish Labour's disgraceful behaviour. It is rotten from the ground up.
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Labour are going to effectively now look to divert ALL the blame onto the Pakistani community, probably based on the fact that they are losing their votes anyway over Gaza. Always predicted that Labours love in with political Islam would not last the course and suspect this is the issue over which it will fracture permanently.

But the entire system is rotten. Labour gained the most political advantage from how they effectively traded those girls for block voting in the areas most impacted whilst the Tories never gave two shits anyway. You could argue about where the majority of the blame should be aimed, and Labour are way out on that, but the Tories would not have done anything differently. But the Police, the social services, the media, local government (all with notable exceptions by the way), they are just as guility and where whole scale purges, including custodial sentences, need to be handed out.

They won't be, of course.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Have you asked them? Finding out why is important.

Until we know we can only speculate. It could be cultural. If so we need to break the adherence to that aspect of their culture. It could be fear of retribution. If so we need to protect them. It could be distrust of the police. If so we need to build trust.
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Having lived in a Muslim country and conducting interviews into marriages, it is most definitely a cultural thing and most definitely a fear of retribution from, not only the Community but from within the family. It is a similar scenario as to when offspring are told who they are to marry, often within families, if they object either completely ostracised or worse. I do not think it goes as far as no trust in the Police.
Unfortunately there is no way the culture will change
 
Going on Cummings twitter feed is red hot on this right now.


But it isn't only him saying how this inquiry will be directed away from Whitehall complicity in this national scandal, it's a huge whitewash to remove responsibility away from political responsibility and what would reflect onto the political class and make it all about the localised situations.
 
Stirlingsays said:
in this national scandal, it's a huge whitewash to remove responsibility away from political responsibility and what would reflect onto the political class and make it all about the localised situations.
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This scandal will cast a very long shadow in history. 1953 was Suez, confirming that Brittania had lost her empire.
The Grooming gangs confirms that she has now lost the homeland too. No truly sovereign nation would ever consciously tolerate this. And if you don't believe me. Name a few other countries that a) were truly sovereign and b) did.
 
Spiderman said:
Having lived in a Muslim country and conducting interviews into marriages, it is most definitely a cultural thing and most definitely a fear of retribution from, not only the Community but from within the family. It is a similar scenario as to when offspring are told who they are to marry, often within families, if they object either completely ostracised or worse. I do not think it goes as far as no trust in the Police.
Unfortunately there is no way the culture will change
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Disability in babies from these inter related cousin to cousin marriages is disproportionate compared to others in society. That is surely a reason to stop it.
It’s cruel on the kids and expensive on society.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Trying to understand what motivates anyone to do anything like this is the key to discovering how best to eradicate it. For sure we need for those with inside knowledge of that to give evidence but whether that evidence can be presented publicly is another matter. It might not be safe to do so.
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Read the qoran as two women are equal to one man for a start. Also forcing them to cover up from head to foot shows the lack of respect for females.
 
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