Gorton & Denton By-election

HKOwen said:
Who would want to take over before the May elections? Starmer is just an even more pathetic figure if that is possible. A contested leadership election would take 5-6 weeks.
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Don't really care to be honest. Labour are the enemy, no matter who is leading them. Ditto with the Greens and Lib Dems.

Just for the lolz, would vote for Lammy to lead Labour.
 
Matov said:
Don't really care to be honest. Labour are the enemy, no matter who is leading them. Ditto with the Greens and Lib Dems.

Just for the lolz, would vote for Lammy to lead Labour.
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Ironically he would not be the worst outcome IMO, he might not lurch to the left as that would require knowing left from right etc
 
Matov said:
The actual logic of the Greens effectively sweeping up the Muslim votes makes a lot of sense, at least in terms of this by-election, and clearly worked for them. But as a long-term electoral strategy, then it is a complete non-starter given the, as you quite rightly allude to, inherent contradictions.

The Greens are just froth.

For me all I want to focus on is why Reform failed to get the white vote out. Because that is the key to this all. Getting that white voter, who has felt disenfranchised from the electoral system for decades, out to cast their vote.

Reform basically allows their sworn enemies, in the form of HnH, to dictate who they can have standing for elections. And why they are simply now part of the problem rather than the solution.

And lol at the Tories. Losing their deposit. Love it!
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No sign of Ed Davey clowning around , also lost deposit
 
HKOwen said:
If you have been a Presiding Officer I shall apologize whole heartedly. If not, you are pushing a deluded history in the Cornish style.

Try to read, I view many in public service as performing valuable and demanding work, there are also many with heads in the trough performing " work " that is not required.

You have used the " working with ministers " line before as an attempt at self importance.

I am guessing you are a driver.
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If I was a driver it would be a bloody miracle as I am registered blind after an injury sustained while I served my country in the armed forces......

I have been policy adviser to ministers since the days of the coalition.

I have not been a presiding officer no but have been a scrutineer on a number of occasions.

So I have been around the block a few times. How about you?.
 
HKOwen said:
Ironically he would not be the worst outcome IMO, he might not lurch to the left as that would require knowing left from right etc
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Makes no difference to where I stand. Labour are the enemy. Simple as. Restore need to become the default choice for anybody who wishes to oppose them. Labour will pivot left by way of trying to get back the Muslim vote. It is how they have maintained their grip on numerous local councils.

Restore need to become the only viable alternative to that. The Tories are over and Reform are a farce with their pandering to the likes of HnH.
 
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(although to be fair, suspect Polanksi see's it the other way around)
 
orpingtoneagle said:
If I was a driver it would be a bloody miracle as I am registered blind after an injury sustained while I served my country in the armed forces......

I have been policy adviser to ministers since the days of the coalition.

I have not been a presiding officer no but have been a scrutineer on a number of occasions.

So I have been around the block a few times. How about you?.
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Then thank you for your service to Her Majesty.
 
HKOwen said:
Then thank you for your service to Her Majesty.
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LOL.

The guy has just admitted to being a policy advisor to the most disastrous set of Governments we have ever experienced.

Now fair play to him for the job title, but 'service'? Because if they have taken his advice, then he has to carry a huge amount of blame for the s*** we are currently in.

Unless of course, he can state they ignored his advice?
 
Matov said:
LOL.

The guy has just admitted to being a policy advisor to the most disastrous set of Governments we have ever experienced.

Now fair play to him for the job title, but 'service'? Because if they have taken his advice, then he has to carry a huge amount of blame for the s*** we are currently in.

Unless of course, he can state they ignored his advice?
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I am referring to his military service only, as a courtesy.
 
Matov said:
LOL.

The guy has just admitted to being a policy advisor to the most disastrous set of Governments we have ever experienced.

Now fair play to him for the job title, but 'service'? Because if they have taken his advice, then he has to carry a huge amount of blame for the s*** we are currently in.

Unless of course, he can state they ignored his advice?
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Never said any minister follows the advice of any civil servant........Indeed political dogma will usually win the day due to the politicisation of the civil service across all parties. I don't see that changing any time soon.

Maybe that has been a problem in the past and will be in the future......

As for presiding over failure? In some cases who knows what the outcome would be if things had been done differently.
 
orpingtoneagle said:
Never said any minister follows the advice of any civil servant........Indeed political dogma will usually win the day due to the politicisation of the civil service across all parties. I don't see that changing any time soon.

Maybe that has been a problem in the past and will be in the future......

As for presiding over failure? In some cases who knows what the outcome would be if things had been done differently.
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One of my (many) bones of contention now is that we need to do away with this farce of a notion of an 'impartial' civil service because that is, if it ever were true, a thing of the past.

A civil service is there to implement the political dogma of Ministers. Thats the point. And where I have zero faith in it as things stand. My own blue-print for a future Restore Government would include a whole scale clearing out of much of the civil service, from the top down, until such time as it can be confidently assumed they will do as they are bid. They have become, quite literally in the case of the Home-Office, a law unto themselves. Ditto with the FCO and the Intelligence services (MI6 far more so than MI5) with that office block in Vauxhall seemingly to be waging its own war against Russia that seems to have nothing to do with Britians best interest.
 
The protection afforded to civil servants in terms of dismissal needs to be changed so that anyone who fails to carry out or obfuscates instructions to effect policy can be dismissed more easily.

The rules are quite different to those in the private sector.
 
There is no point complaining about the Greens election strategy. Looks like they did their homework and had a plan.
As for reform, they lost by 4,000 votes and over 35,000 didn’t bother voting. As I remember for brexit Farage arranged coaches from council estates to deliver people to the polling station and then take them back.
Elections are all about the spin bullshit and dark arts. Just look at America.
 
HKOwen said:
No sign of Ed Davey clowning around , also lost deposit
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Devoted zero resources; put up a no-hoper; reaped what sowed.

Their limited funds compel them to focus where they can win.

And only then will you have the edifying site of Ed Davy bungee jumping dressed as Mister Blobby.
 
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