Glasner Out

PatrickA said:
The collapse has been extraordinary.
This season we have gone from the side with the longest unbeaten run in Europe (and the best unbeaten run in Palace's history) to the team which has not won in the last 12 games with only a few draws to show ( possibly one of the the worst records in our history).

The confidence looks shot to pieces with usually reliable players even failing to do the basics right.
Injuries and unavailability haven't helped together with the unbalanced nature of the squad.

I see little point Glasner continuing to point out what the club has done wrong this season as he is continually doing at press conferences.
That inquest can wait until the end of the season.
He's setting up the team to fail and giving the players, including the ones joining, an excuse for not performing.
He's gone from one of the most positive managers in our recent history to a very negative one.
That negativity is damaging for the players when Glasner should be leading from the front.
It would be better for everybody if he looked forward rather than backwards, and enthused about the new players, the players who are returning and how strong our squad looks to be moving forward.
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I still think he wanted to get sacked and the whole Sunderland thing was an attempt to do that. He wasn’t and his motivation clearly isn’t there any more.
 
EagleEddie said:
In the second half yesterday, Hughes, clearly frustrated, took a shot that was so wayward Henderson almost had to save it, but because it didn’t seem to fit the supposed system, Glasner went ballistic. A player takes responsibility and shoots when no one else is, and the manager loses it. The players look confused about what they are and aren’t allowed to do, with no real decision-making permitted on the pitch. Paddy looked confused in the dugout as Glasner continued his rant. Meanwhile, Glasner appears content with endless sideways passing, with no real intent to penetrate the opposition defence. Then he has the audacity to tell us the positives like he’s trying to brain wash us!

I didn’t boo or abuse Glasner against Chelsea last week when he walked out with an exaggerated wave and smile, however, I refused to applaud him and I won’t at the next home game if he is still here.

For me, it’s definitely time for him to go.
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I mean to be fair, in that situation, with Hughes' inability to hit the target I also lamented his decision to shoot.

Hughes has a short or 2 most games, and they almost exclusively sail over.
 
NEILLO said:
On that basis you would have sacked Glasner in October '24. And there were people on HOL then advocating just that. Prior to beating Spurs on 27/10/24, Palace had taken just 3 points from the first 8 games. And went into that fixture on the back of 3 consecutive defeats.

That was the time when we had players injured, out of form after returning from Euros / Copa America having not had a proper pre season. Oh, and selling a centre back and captain on the last day of the transfer window ( sound familiar ? ).

You know very well that the strength and quality in the squad this season never looked like being enough to cope with the additional workload of European competition.

Glasner is rightfully getting criticism in light of his outbursts against the Board and the peculiar timing of his decision to leave and releasing that into the public domain. I don't think he's actually wrong in a lot of what he's been saying but that's not excusing his conduct. And it's a results business - they have been far from good since early December. But IF you stripped out the knowledge that he handed his notice in 3 months ago, IF he hadn't made those statements, would you still want him sacked given the parallels between that October and now ?
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No, but it is entirely because he handed his notice in shortly before our terrible change in form that I want him sacked.

Before that decision Glasner was talking about working out Pep and was clearly up for the challenge, there were signs of positivity in the group. I see none now. They look leaderless. He has literally said he doesn’t care in front of cameras who knows what he is saying in the changing room but then is shouting at them when they don’t things right, then defends them in the press conference. There is no consistency and no vision.
 
The bottom line is Glasner is a poor manager and is being found out in the Premiership, we have been consistently poor against defensive teams, his tactics only work against teams that attack us, and not always, he never changes from the 3-4-3, even yesterday, his only change yesterday was player for player, Lerma going into Riad's position, and Pino!, playing in Lerma's place, no structural changes, What Henderson said before the game obviously says the players are not happy, i am not even sure if Glasner wants Palace to win, why would he, if the vitriol that is aimed at the board, i am sure he wouldn't want Palace to be in the Europa league next year, all very sad, i am very disappointed that Parish has not put him on gardening leave.
 
Oliver Glasner has been allowed far more grace than others named Frank, Alan, and Patrick, and I wonder why that is. Certainly his level of poor results is akin to those three, indeed, poor Frank didn't even reach his fifth game, remarkable! And yet here we are, wheels fully off the cart, with a manager that says whatever he likes to the detriment of the club and players, and yet somehow he remains in his post. Curious.
One possible explanation is that Steve Parish already has his man but that mystery person will only become available at the end of the season, and that to sack Oliver Glasner at this late stage with a temporary replacement in situ is too risky. Or it could possibly be that chancer Steve is sitting on his hands hoping and praying for things to improve - all that effort for the new stand to be opened in the Championship, what a waste!
 
Linford said:
He’s saying it like it is. There is no use to bury our heads in the sand and try to pretend none of it is true. He’s completely right.

I would be more concerned if he came out and said there is nothing to work on in training and he is going to relax by the pool.
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Agree. For example Scott Parker sounds absolutely pathetic in every post match interview where he blindly praises the team and effort after another hopeless trouncing. An absolute loser and happy to be one.
 
NEILLO said:
On that basis you would have sacked Glasner in October '24. And there were people on HOL then advocating just that. Prior to beating Spurs on 27/10/24, Palace had taken just 3 points from the first 8 games. And went into that fixture on the back of 3 consecutive defeats.

That was the time when we had players injured, out of form after returning from Euros / Copa America having not had a proper pre season. Oh, and selling a centre back and captain on the last day of the transfer window ( sound familiar ? ).

You know very well that the strength and quality in the squad this season never looked like being enough to cope with the additional workload of European competition.

Glasner is rightfully getting criticism in light of his outbursts against the Board and the peculiar timing of his decision to leave and releasing that into the public domain. I don't think he's actually wrong in a lot of what he's been saying but that's not excusing his conduct. And it's a results business - they have been far from good since early December. But IF you stripped out the knowledge that he handed his notice in 3 months ago, IF he hadn't made those statements, would you still want him sacked given the parallels between that October and now ?
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Of course Parish should have sacked him then, from that date you know he isn't committed to the clubs long term future just the next six months, you cannot put any faith in him then, and it has certainly showed in the performances, and he has the nerve to criticize the club selling players, he has no say, keep you mouth shut, you have made your position known, its almost laughable if it wasn't so inept
 
MrRobbo said:
I mean to be fair, in that situation, with Hughes' inability to hit the target I also lamented his decision to shoot.

Hughes has a short or 2 most games, and they almost exclusively sail over.
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I don’t think there was one Palace fan not shouting Nooooo! Before he took that shot. Mind you, just passing it left or right wouldn’t have come to anything :-(
 
Having a shot with nothing else on was absolutely the correct decision, even if the execution was awry. One day one will fly into the top corner and we'll be saying "Why doesn't he do that more often?".
 
park the bus said:
Having a shot with nothing else on was absolutely the correct decision, even if the execution was awry. One day one will fly into the top corner and we'll be saying "Why doesn't he do that more often?".
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They never will.

As much as I love Hughes, we need better. Skying every chance over the bar is just not good enough
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Wasn't sure where to put this but it sums up our situation quite well.

Crystal Palace have been chewed up and spat out after their moment in the sun | Crystal Palace | The Guardian Crystal Palace have been chewed up and spat out after their moment in the sun | Jonathan Wilson
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Excellent article which gets to the hub of the matter.
Furthermore, it gets to the heart of the issue with Glasner.

There's no escaping that Palace are a mid table club; when Glasner joined amongst his first words were that if Palace wanted a manager content with a mid table finish, 'I'm not that guy.'

It was always going to end this way.
 
PatrickA said:
Wharton, Lerma and Kamada are not much better.
None have scored in the League over the last season and a half or trouble the keeper with their shooting.
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Kamada scores regularly for Japan. Can't help feeling our system stifles the midfield - especially the two. As they are often overwhelmed, overrun or under pressure. When they're not, they're almost surprised. Always having only the two is our main weakness. Needs to change according to the opposition.
 
PatrickA said:
Wharton, Lerma and Kamada are not much better.
None have scored in the League over the last season and a half or trouble the keeper with their shooting.
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I wonder if this is a training\ tactics issue. Glasner doesn't like any kind of solo play. Maybe he doesn't like anyone trying to score from outside the area. We hardly ever shoot from any distance and even if we do, surely they haven't been practising because it's like watching sunday league players or even rugby players going for a conversion. Has to be improved.
 
PatrickA said:
Excellent article which gets to the hub of the matter.
Furthermore, it gets to the heart of the issue with Glasner.

There's no escaping that Palace are a mid table club; when Glasner joined amongst his first words were that if Palace wanted a manager content with a mid table finish, 'I'm not that guy.'

It was always going to end this way.
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Won't be long before football becomes moneyball by name. Money completely rules the game nowadays. No escaping that fact. And most fans are being torched by clubs to support them, even though most clubs gate money is a fraction of their turnover.
 
dreamwaverider said:
I wonder if this is a training\ tactics issue. Glasner doesn't like any kind of solo play. Maybe he doesn't like anyone trying to score from outside the area. We hardly ever shoot from any distance and even if we do, surely they haven't been practising because it's like watching sunday league players or even rugby players going for a conversion. Has to be improved.
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Eze regularly scored from outside the area - it was is stock position. Stand in/get to the 'D' and shoot. perhaps he was allowed to as he was quite good at it!
 
dreamwaverider said:
I wonder if this is a training\ tactics issue. Glasner doesn't like any kind of solo play. Maybe he doesn't like anyone trying to score from outside the area. We hardly ever shoot from any distance and even if we do, surely they haven't been practising because it's like watching sunday league players or even rugby players going for a conversion. Has to be improved.
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I think it's correct that Glasner doesn't encourage shooting from long range as the stats indicate that they rarely come off and Glasner is all about efficiency.
Personally I miss players shooting from range and there don't seem too many around now - Fernandes at Manchester United, Caceido at Chelsea and perhaps a couple of Liverpool players being the exceptions.
In any event I think Hughes and Wharton appear to have poor technique when shooting, often looking unbalanced and failing to drive through the ball.
 
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